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Where I differ with Ron Paul is that Lbertarianism may great for domestic issues, but it's not so great on foreign affairs. We are involved in internationalism the moment we step on a plane and jet across the ocean. If we disengage, all will be fine? No, all will not be fine. We are not an isolationist country.
Besides all of that, Christopher Hitchens has it right! - "...its defenders have started to talk as if it represented no problem at all and as if the question were solely one of religious tolerance. It would be nice if this were true. But tolerance is one of the first and most awkward questions raised by any examination of Islamism.We are wrong to talk as if the only subject was that of terrorism. As Western Europe has already found to its cost, local Muslim leaders have a habit, once they feel strong enough, of making demands of the most intolerant kind."
Now, that is something Ron Paul needs to look at and address!
i'm wondering if our foreign affairs/policies could get any worse! i'm thinking Ron Paul's view on foreign policies would be a breath of fresh air for most foreign countries...
He believes that terrorism is growing because of US foreign policies and he is right. Why would they feel the need to attack your country other than because of your policies in the Middle East?
Yeah, yeah. You Europeans and your Hate America attitude until you need something like money or protection. Can you guys be any more pathetic over there with that stuff?
i'm wondering if our foreign affairs/policies could get any worse! i'm thinking Ron Paul's view on foreign policies would be a breath of fresh air for most foreign countries...
Ron Paul is a douchebag. He is only saying this stuff for votes come November. He's old and feable minded.
Yeah, yeah. You Europeans and your Hate America attitude until you need something like money or protection. Can you guys be any more pathetic over there with that stuff?
If we needed money, we would ask China. Thank you very much. But funny how you resort to a childish attack instead of trying to confute what Ron Paul has said.
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Ron Paul is a douchebag. He is only saying this stuff for votes come November. He's old and feable minded.
He has always been saying stuff like that. He could have it much easier but he stays true to his opinions.
Is the controversy over building a mosque near ground zero a grand distraction or a grand opportunity? Or is it, once again, grandiose demagoguery?
It has been said, “Nero fiddled while Rome burned.†Are we not overly preoccupied with this controversy, now being used in various ways by grandstanding politicians? It looks to me like the politicians are “fiddling while the economy burns.â€
The debate should have provided the conservative defenders of property rights with a perfect example of how the right to own property also protects the 1st Amendment rights of assembly and religion by supporting the building of the mosque.
Instead, we hear lip service given to the property rights position while demanding that the need to be “sensitive†requires an all-out assault on the building of a mosque, several blocks from “ground zero.â€
Just think of what might (not) have happened if the whole issue had been ignored and the national debate stuck with war, peace, and prosperity. There certainly would have been a lot less emotionalism on both sides. The fact that so much attention has been given the mosque debate, raises the question of just why and driven by whom?
In my opinion it has come from the neo-conservatives who demand continual war in the Middle East and Central Asia and are compelled to constantly justify it.
They never miss a chance to use hatred toward Muslims to rally support for the ill conceived preventative wars. A select quote from soldiers from in Afghanistan and Iraq expressing concern over the mosque is pure propaganda and an affront to their bravery and sacrifice.
The claim is that we are in the Middle East to protect our liberties is misleading. To continue this charade, millions of Muslims are indicted and we are obligated to rescue them from their religious and political leaders. And, we’re supposed to believe that abusing our liberties here at home and pursuing unconstitutional wars overseas will solve our problems.
The nineteen suicide bombers didn’t come from Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan or Iran. Fifteen came from our ally Saudi Arabia, a country that harbors strong American resentment, yet we invade and occupy Iraq where no al Qaeda existed prior to 9/11.
Many fellow conservatives say they understand the property rights and 1st Amendment issues and don’t want a legal ban on building the mosque. They just want everybody to be “sensitive†and force, through public pressure, cancellation of the mosque construction.
This sentiment seems to confirm that Islam itself is to be made the issue, and radical religious Islamic views were the only reasons for 9/11. If it became known that 9/11 resulted in part from a desire to retaliate against what many Muslims saw as American aggression and occupation, the need to demonize Islam would be difficult if not impossible.
There is no doubt that a small portion of radical, angry Islamists do want to kill us but the question remains, what exactly motivates this hatred?
If Islam is further discredited by making the building of the mosque the issue, then the false justification for our wars in the Middle East will continue to be acceptable.
The justification to ban the mosque is no more rational than banning a soccer field in the same place because all the suicide bombers loved to play soccer.
Conservatives are once again, unfortunately, failing to defend private property rights, a policy we claim to cherish. In addition conservatives missed a chance to challenge the hypocrisy of the left which now claims they defend property rights of Muslims, yet rarely if ever, the property rights of American private businesses.
Defending the controversial use of property should be no more difficult than defending the 1st Amendment principle of defending controversial speech. But many conservatives and liberals do not want to diminish the hatred for Islam–the driving emotion that keeps us in the wars in the Middle East and Central Asia.
It is repeatedly said that 64% of the people, after listening to the political demagogues, don’t want the mosque to be built. What would we do if 75% of the people insist that no more Catholic churches be built in New York City? The point being is that majorities can become oppressors of minority rights as well as individual dictators. Statistics of support is irrelevant when it comes to the purpose of government in a free society—protecting liberty.
The outcry over the building of the mosque, near ground zero, implies that Islam alone was responsible for the 9/11 attacks. According to those who are condemning the building of the mosque, the nineteen suicide terrorists on 9/11 spoke for all Muslims. This is like blaming all Christians for the wars of aggression and occupation because some Christians supported the neo-conservative’s aggressive wars.
The House Speaker is now treading on a slippery slope by demanding a Congressional investigation to find out just who is funding the mosque—a bold rejection of property rights, 1st Amendment rights, and the Rule of Law—in order to look tough against Islam.
This is all about hate and Islamaphobia.
We now have an epidemic of “sunshine patriots†on both the right and the left who are all for freedom, as long as there’s no controversy and nobody is offended.
Political demagoguery rules when truth and liberty are ignored.
So many words, so little meaning, couldn't read it all... yuukkk..... You try to sound intelligent, but you are following a socialist, corrupt pig, who has no ability to lead, only to destroy our country. That is his goal, and you wish to assist him, for he has ruined your ability to reason.. He is wrong, you are wrong, and the good shall win out...!
Peace my brother..
So many words, so little meaning, couldn't read it all... yuukkk..... You try to sound intelligent, but you are following a socialist, corrupt pig, who has no ability to lead, only to destroy our country. That is his goal, and you wish to assist him, for he has ruined your ability to reason.. He is wrong, you are wrong, and the good shall win out...!
Peace my brother..
This is your usual MO, attack the messenger when you know nothing about the message.
If we needed money, we would ask China. Thank you very much. But funny how you resort to a childish attack instead of trying to confute what Ron Paul has said.
He has always been saying stuff like that. He could have it much easier but he stays true to his opinions.
The extreme right does not understand the integrity of standing by one's principles...how could they, some reptiles are indeed, spineless.
(hold on, going to be a little hypocritical here, going to pray to a God I don't believe will help anything)
GOD, PLEASE LET THIS MAN AND CHRIS CRISTIE RUN FOR PRESIDENT, PLEASE.
A "D" ticket would offer the best chance for Ron Paul to get up there. "R" has been overrun by neocons for at least three decades... I see Lee Atwater as the father of contemporary republicanism.
So many words, so little meaning, couldn't read it all... yuukkk..... You try to sound intelligent, but you are following a socialist, corrupt pig, who has no ability to lead, only to destroy our country. That is his goal, and you wish to assist him, for he has ruined your ability to reason.. He is wrong, you are wrong, and the good shall win out...!
Peace my brother..
LOL. This is Ron Paul's statement. Ron Paul tries to sound intelligent?
Ron Paul is "following a socialist, corrupt pig, who has no ability to lead,..."?
He is a conservative.
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