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View Poll Results: Which Euro economy should we emulate?
Germany 22 31.88%
France 8 11.59%
UK 5 7.25%
Sweden 11 15.94%
Other 23 33.33%
Voters: 69. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 08-28-2010, 02:04 PM
 
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If I had to chose a country in which to educate my kids it would probably be Canada.

Educational Score Performance - Country Rankings
Love dem Canucks.
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Old 08-28-2010, 02:08 PM
 
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And why all the hoo ha about university or college - we have a situation in the UK where so many kids go to university - you almost need a degree to flip burgers - some of the degrees are useless - we seem to be producing a generation of kids with very high expectations for jobs and money after university and it just won't happen for most of them. The US may be different and all of your degree courses may be useful and lead to good jobs and high wages.
It's either exactly the same or worse in the US.
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Old 08-28-2010, 02:12 PM
 
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Well US is as socialist as Germany and France.
The founding fathers wanted US to be like Switzerland... so you better emulate Switzerland as your founding fathers wanted! You have to give up some of your social welfare for that! You don't get 99 weeks of unemployment here in Switzerland!

I don't understand why the Americans have a fetish for the northern European countries. The life there isn't as great as some magazines want to picture it. I spent 6 months in Denmark when I was in college and everything was awful (I live in Switzerland but I was born in near München). Everything from food to housing to social life and anything in between is a disaster there. And the school ain't very good there. Even tough I believe is on par with the American education (which except a few universities (10-20) is worst than in most Europe... we have employed 2 GATech graduates at one of our factories in US and they were some of the worst employees I've seen until now... now they got better after a lot of training).
Southern Europe is a great place for vacation but that's all. I like Central and Eastern Europe (but the goverment in most of the Eastern European countries is a mess).

If US wants to emulate some successful European countries they have to chose between Switzerland and Austria (and Germany but I'm not so sure about that....)

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Old 08-28-2010, 02:29 PM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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Here is a recent (2006) study on kids at 15 - it's based on reading, maths and science.



There is no score for the US for reading.

For maths they rank 27th out of 33

For science they rank 22nd out of 33

These kids are your future and will have to compete with the likes of the Japanese and Koreans whose kids seem to do really well in most of the subjects covered. So does Canada.

I'm from the UK and we absolutely slate our education system but...

13th out of 33 for reading

19th out of 33 for maths

9th out of 33 for science.

If I had to chose a country in which to educate my kids it would probably be Canada.

Educational Score Performance - Country Rankings

And why all the hoo ha about university or college - we have a situation in the UK where so many kids go to university - you almost need a degree to flip burgers - some of the degrees are useless - we seem to be producing a generation of kids with very high expectations for jobs and money after university and it just won't happen for most of them. The US may be different and all of your degree courses may be useful and lead to good jobs and high wages.

The recent budget cuts have meant this year university places are much harder to get - not really a bad thing imho.
Those results are average values. The problem is that in the US high schools are very diverse. There are excellent ones en par with East Asian ones, but also a lot of very bad ones, which drag down the average. In Germany and other countries you won't find such great differences. Even the worst high schools there produce students that would be considered average students in the US.
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Old 08-28-2010, 02:48 PM
 
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Well US is as socialist as Germany and France.
The founding fathers wanted US to be like Switzerland...
France and the various German states were not "socialist" at the time of the American Revolution.

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so you better emulate Switzerland as your founding fathers wanted! You have to give up some of your social welfare for that! You don't get 99 weeks of unemployment here in Switzerland!
Depends on the canton ; Switzerland being one of the world's most decentralized countries means that policies vary between cantons a great deal.

ISIL -- The Swiss Cantonal System

AFAIK pretty much ALL Western and Central European countries have better educational systems than the US (the only exceptions being the UK and the schools in the banlieue ghettos of France - and in Britain's case it decided to adapt the US educational system of "comprehensives" in the '70s and discard the previous, superior system produced by the post-WW2 educational reforms, although I doubt too many Britons miss "secondary moderns")

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Old 08-28-2010, 03:24 PM
 
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I know that France and Germany weren't socialist at the time of the American Revolution... I compared US with the present countries and I wanted to say that the American founding fathers wanted US to function like Swizerland, with small central government and having states take care of their own business. It was like that in the begining, but little by little the federal government took over and now you have a huge government. Happy Fourth, Switzerland! : Considering the
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Old 08-28-2010, 03:26 PM
 
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Which European country's economic system should the US to pattern it's economic reforms more towards? Admittedly I am not too informed about the various differences between each of the countries listed, although I do know that the UK's economy is generally the closest to the "Anglo-American" style. But even there they have things like socialized medicine.
There is nothing wrong with America. In fact, we have the best system in which to become successful in the world.
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Old 08-28-2010, 03:29 PM
 
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There is nothing wrong with America. In fact, we have the best system in which to become successful in the world.
With those huge taxes I'm not so sure about that!
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Old 08-28-2010, 04:18 PM
 
Location: Orange County, CA
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Are you kinding me?
Why the heck would we emulate any European country.....Our fore-fathers left europe and you now want to emulate them
Situations change, nothing is ever static. The US used to be tops in every measure, but since the last couple of decades that has changed; many European countries are now far ahead while the US is now near the bottom on so many measures that it is not even funny. The students have now become the teachers!

The only measure we are at the top for is income/wealth inequality. And of course obesity! roflmao...

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Old 08-28-2010, 04:19 PM
 
Location: Orange County, CA
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There is nothing wrong with America. In fact, we have the best system in which to become successful in the world.
You are kidding, right? PLEASE tell me that you don't seriously believe that!
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