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Old 08-25-2010, 08:19 AM
 
Location: 15 months till retirement and I can leave the hell hole of New Yakistan
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I agree with the proposition that if more people would take the time to inform themselves about the candidates running for office, perhaps we would have better representatives (probably not, but a man can dream).
but what the candidates/incumbants say and do arent the same

pelosi...we weill be the mist ethical, and transparent and will drain the swamp......has she come even CLOSE to that....nope

obama..we will be the most transparant.......not even close either

and this goes for both parties
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Old 08-25-2010, 08:24 AM
 
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I agree with the proposition that if more people would take the time to inform themselves about the candidates running for office, perhaps we would have better representatives (probably not, but a man can dream).

Recall the fuss a few weeks ago about Bell, California, and the huge salaries paid to three council members and city manager? How the people of Bell were upset!

Yet, out of a city of some 38,000, only 400 voted in the special election in 2005 that paved the way for these people to vastly increase their wages. The people of that city simply did not care to vote.

As for gerrymandering: we here in Texas are bracing for our districts to be redrawn based on the latest census. Chicanery will reign supreme yet again.
How many knew about the election or it's ramifications?
Do you think the referendum was presented honestly to the voters as a vote to increase salaries up to unprecedented and historical levels?
Considering the outrage now, don't you think more people would have voted if they knew what was really going to happen?
Keeping on eye on the scum in office is a full time job as they become learned or taught how to hide as much from the taxpayers as they can from the career con artists in public service.


Speaking of gerrymandering.
As usual, Illinois has some notible examples.

Congressman Luis Gutierrez (D-Ill) Chicago Politics At Its WORST | RedState
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Hereís another fun fact that Gutierrez may not want to become widely distributed, he canít even vote for himself, he moved out of his Congressional District two years ago.
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Old 08-25-2010, 08:26 AM
 
Location: Austin
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If you don't like your representative or local politician, then vote him or her out of office.

If we have pretty much the same Congress after the election then that means that Americans must not be too unhappy about what is going on in Washington, D.C.

Right?

Wrong. Being an incumbent gives one a huge advantage.

I would like to see one term limits for all national offices. One term, no reelection campaigning and you are out. That way they could focus on doing what they think is right rather than what would get them reelected.

After all, it's not like we have a shortage of people who could do these jobs.
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Old 08-25-2010, 08:29 AM
 
Location: 15 months till retirement and I can leave the hell hole of New Yakistan
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I agree with the proposition that if more people would take the time to inform themselves about the candidates running for office, perhaps we would have better representatives (probably not, but a man can dream).

Recall the fuss a few weeks ago about Bell, California, and the huge salaries paid to three council members and city manager? How the people of Bell were upset!

Yet, out of a city of some 38,000, only 400 voted in the special election in 2005 that paved the way for these people to vastly increase their wages. The people of that city simply did not care to vote.

As for gerrymandering: we here in Texas are bracing for our districts to be redrawn based on the latest census. Chicanery will reign supreme yet again.

out of that 38k total population, how many are ELIGIBLE to be REGISTERED as voters...How many are actually REGISTERED. then compare the numbers....you cant compare to a total population.
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Old 08-25-2010, 08:32 AM
 
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Publicly funded elections
No campaign contributions to a single candidate, instead, all contributions are distributed equally to all candidates in a single election
No campaign contributions from any group outside the election area, no out of state or out of district interests allowed
Full disclosure of any group supporting or opposing any proposition or position on the ballot
All ballots with candidates to include "None of the Above"
Elections testing to insure people understand the issues and know the candidates (probably would never happen)

Term limits are unnecessary if these things are implemented. I think term limits under our present elective system would prove to be unproductive. Besides, I think it is an unAmerican concept, it flies in the face of the freedom we claim we possess. No to term limits. Yes to the above.
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Old 08-25-2010, 08:45 AM
 
Location: San Jose
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Term limits aren't working as expected here in California... many regret the change.

http://http://www.mercurynews.com/top-stories/ci_15649835 (http://http//www.mercurynews.com/top-stories/ci_15649835 - broken link)

A brief snippet from the article:

The strictest term limits in the nation, enacted 20 years ago to end the "stench of greed and vote-selling" in Sacramento, have instead made California's government so dysfunctional, many who once backed the reform say, that they now regret pushing for it.


"Of all the mistakes I've made in public life, the one I regret most is advocating for term limits for the Legislature," said Rep. Tom McClintock, R-Granite Bay, a leading conservative figure in California who was one of a small number of incumbent legislators who backed the term limits measure two decades ago. "It has harmed the institution badly."
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Old 08-25-2010, 09:04 AM
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^^I don't have a link, but term limits haven't worked that well here in CO, either. It seems people just run for a different office once they're term-limited out of one.
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Old 08-25-2010, 09:09 AM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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Well, who's fault is that?

If "the people" are not going to take a few extra minutes every two years to learn about the candidates then [bleep] 'em!

People should grow up, be adults and not depend on the government (via "term limit" amendments) to police the make-up of Congress.
You're completely against any government regulation of corporations, too, right? People can vote with their wallets, so strip the law books of all regulations and let the free market operate in its purest form. You cool with that?
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Old 08-25-2010, 09:11 AM
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out of that 38k total population, how many are ELIGIBLE to be REGISTERED as voters...How many are actually REGISTERED. then compare the numbers....you cant compare to a total population.

I'm sure you are correct. Out of a population of 38,000 no doubt the eligible voters numbered only 500 or so, hence it was a large turn out, percentage wise.
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Old 08-25-2010, 09:29 AM
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I'm sure you are correct. Out of a population of 38,000 no doubt the eligible voters numbered only 500 or so, hence it was a large turn out, percentage wise.
Plus, no notification was ever made of that election. It was held under a shroud of secrecy.
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