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If a Muslim does something bad in the name of Islam like 9-11 that isn't a reflection on any Muslims anywhere. No Muslims should ever be held accountable for the events that led to 9-11 or anything else bad that happens by Muslims. The guy clearly was deranged and Muslim societies have nothing to do with any bad actions against non-Muslims.
If someone commits a criminal act, they should be held accountable.
Are all christers pedophiles?
However if someone does something bad to Muslims anywhere under any circumstances well that is (of course!) a reflection of the innate horror and bigotry and that indicates our society is a horribly racist place and inherently racist against Muslims.
Stabbing someone in the lip, arm and neck because they are a certain religion is a crime.
Does this mean that all young men will stab you?
Make up your mind please. Because you can't have it both ways. Under your reasoning were the situation the other way around -- had a Muslim stabbed the cab driver for being non-Muslim -- you would apparently have no trouble arguing that any criticism of any other Muslims for his actions were unacceptable under any circumstances.
Please provide some examples, because I've never encountered what you're stating.
Fearing Islamic majority societies where women are dirt and non-Muslims second class citizens is hardly irrational or bigotry anyway.
Then I suggest that you not visit or live in a country where policies that offend you are practiced.
In the US we let our mentally challenged and veterans and children live on the streets.
The Islamic community and their knee jerk apologists argue the following:
No Muslim can ever be held accountable for the actions of other Muslims.
All non-Muslims, however, can be held accountable for the actions of other non-Muslims particularly when it comes to actions that the Islamic community dislikes.
So if the Saudis spend decades teaching and promoting hatred against non-Muslims well that has nothing to do with the fact that fifteen Saudis murdered almost three thousand non-Muslims.
Oh no.
But if an American does something bad against someone Muslim well that has everything to do with the fact that Americans are obviously racist slime.
Don't you see the double standard here? It's inherent in the thread. The OP has no problem insinuating that all Americans are horrible people. But I sincerely doubt that if the situation were reversed he'd be comfortable making the same allegations against the Islamic community.
I'm horribly sick the double standard being promoted. If American actions are to be criticized (and they can be) well then simply arguing that American dislike of Islamic actions is simple bigotry (and not rooted in reasonable revulsion at practices in Islamic societies) is nothing more than rank hypocrisy.
The Islamic community and their knee jerk apologists argue the following:
No Muslim can ever be held accountable for the actions of other Muslims.
All non-Muslims, however, can be held accountable for the actions of other non-Muslims particularly when it comes to actions that the Islamic community dislikes.
So if the Saudis spend decades teaching and promoting hatred against non-Muslims well that has nothing to do with the fact that fifteen Saudis murdered almost three thousand non-Muslims.
Oh no.
But if an American does something bad against someone Muslim well that has everything to do with the fact that Americans are obviously racist slime.
Don't you see the double standard here? It's inherent in the thread. The OP has no problem insinuating that all Americans are horrible people. But I sincerely doubt that if the situation were reversed he'd be comfortable making the same allegations against the Islamic community.
I'm horribly sick the double standard being promoted. If American actions are to be criticized (and they can be) well then simply arguing that American dislike of Islamic actions is simple bigotry (and not rooted in reasonable revulsion at practices in Islamic societies) is nothing more than rank hypocrisy.
Examples, please.
Something other than your opinion.
All you've got to do is read this board...you'll find all sorts of examples of an irrational fear of Muslims. Most of it fermented and firmly rooted in the worship of Faux News.
I'm sorry...try as I might, I just am not able to see how those fears are irrational.
Are you suggesting islam is not responsible for oppression, hatred and murder?
Examples, please.
Something other than your opinion.
Read the OP:
Quote:
I think we know where this came from....another byproduct of Islamophobia.
So a deranged man stabs a guy. And he's not just a crazy person. Oh no. He can't possibly be a nut with no connections to other Americans. He's a "product" of some sort. The clear implication is that he's a product of our racist, horrible society that promotes hatred against Muslims.
Islamophobia is nothing more than a word intended to silence reasonable criticism (and well deserved!) of Islam. I'm sick of it.
So a deranged man stabs a guy. And he's not just a crazy person. Oh no. He can't possibly be a nut with no connections to other Americans. He's a "product" of some sort. The clear implication is that he's a product of our racist, horrible society that promotes hatred against Muslims.
Islamophobia is nothing more than a word intended to silence reasonable criticism (and well deserved!) of Islam. I'm sick of it.
Don't mind certain people, they are unable to accept opinions rather they want facts to twist and distort!
I tried to rep you but was unable to, so here is your rep about double standards!
If a Muslim does something bad in the name of Islam like 9-11 that isn't a reflection on any Muslims anywhere. No Muslims should ever be held accountable for the events that led to 9-11 or anything else bad that happens by Muslims. The guy clearly was deranged and Muslim societies have nothing to do with any bad actions against non-Muslims.
However if someone does something bad to Muslims anywhere under any circumstances well that is (of course!) a reflection of the innate horror and bigotry and that indicates our society is a horribly racist place and inherently racist against Muslims.
Make up your mind please. Because you can't have it both ways. Under your reasoning were the situation the other way around -- had a Muslim stabbed the cab driver for being non-Muslim -- you would apparently have no trouble arguing that any criticism of any other Muslims for his actions were unacceptable under any circumstances.
Fearing Islamic majority societies where women are dirt and non-Muslims second class citizens is hardly irrational or bigotry anyway.
It is wrong if a cab driver gets stabbed or anyone else for that matter just for doing their job. Adding the religion element just makes it even more senseless. What the driver believes is not relevant. It is BS regardless and the guy should be in jail for the rest of his life. It is sad that it is the 21st century yet we still label all people in a group, rather than look at them as individuals. Just because some idiots belong to a certain demographic or belief system does not make it right to attack someone as though they were those idiots. There are good people and bad people in everything. If you have a problem with the bad people, attack them not people who belong to the same religion. This guy was just trying to make a living and support his family. That was his only fault.
So sad...for the record, I am conservative and don't believe in this. Again, labelling all people because of a few in the group. It isn't fair or right. It is just ignorance.
I'm sorry...try as I might, I just am not able to see how those fears are irrational.
Are you suggesting islam is not responsible for oppression, hatred and murder?
I will suggest it. As it stands, Islam in and of itself is not responsible for oppression, hatred and murder. Period.
Now, can it be used for it? Yeppers. I can tell the difference between those that support and send their children to the Kids on Fire camp to become soldiers of God.
You are supposed to be able to differentiate between extremists and the rest of the population.
Being distrustful, I wonder if there is any witness confirming that the perpetrator asked if the driver was a Muslim. I am distrustful because of incidents where black and whites have said they were the victims of racially-motivated crimes when actually that was not the case.
At least he checked first, in Arizona a Sikh (Hindu) was shot for wearing a turban.
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