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Ok, all this "stimulus money" saves jobs. And how exactly? Oh, because we hired back some teachers and "created" some other jobs. Uh, ok...You realize ofcourse, these "jobs" are tax payer funded positions? Meaning our tax dollars are going for these jobs. How long can we keep this up? Everytime someone loses a job, raise taxes? Once again people, read socialism. Its falling apart in Europe and this country is headed down the same road.
"The problem with socialism, is in the end, you run out of other people's money to spend." Margaret Thatcher.
Do you think that public employees don't pay taxes or circulate money? Do they buy cars, homes, food, clothing? Do they contribute to society? the 500 teachers are no longer collecting unemployment, genius, and the thousands of teachers throughout the state that were rehired are no longer collecting unemployment.
Public employees work just as hard as private sector employees, with the added bonus of taking undeserved guff from the public at large. They get up early, work 40 + hours a week just like the rest of working America. I can't tell you how many a$$h**** I busted for DUI or driving 50 MPH in a school zone "lectured" me that they pay my salary through their tax dollars.
Private sector employee's salaries are paid for by the consumer, so what's the difference? When you pay for food, you pay the salaries of the farmer, the stock clerks, the cashiers, the store manager and the trucker who delivered your food. When you buy a pair of shoes you pay the salaries of everyone involved in manufacture, distribution and sales of the shoes. So, please, spare me the "my taxes pay their salary" schtick.
The next time you read a book, thank a teacher. The next time you call 911 for help, thank a cop. The next time someone pulls your a$$ out of a fire or wrecked vehicle, thank a fireman. All paid for by your tax dollars.
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yeah and man has been to mars. since the 3.3 million saved or created jobs number has been debunked many times, the administration is now using the term "lives touched" instead.
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Wow, busy lady. Watch out, I hear she's pretty lethal with the golf clubs.
Do you think that public employees don't pay taxes or circulate money? Do they buy cars, homes, food, clothing? Do they contribute to society? the 500 teachers are no longer collecting unemployment, genius, and the thousands of teachers throughout the state that were rehired are no longer collecting unemployment.
Public employees work just as hard as private sector employees, with the added bonus of taking undeserved guff from the public at large. They get up early, work 40 + hours a week just like the rest of working America. I can't tell you how many a$$h**** I busted for DUI or driving 50 MPH in a school zone "lectured" me that they pay my salary through their tax dollars.
Private sector employee's salaries are paid for by the consumer, so what's the difference? When you pay for food, you pay the salaries of the farmer, the stock clerks, the cashiers, the store manager and the trucker who delivered your food. When you buy a pair of shoes you pay the salaries of everyone involved in manufacture, distribution and sales of the shoes. So, please, spare me the "my taxes pay their salary" schtick.
The next time you read a book, thank a teacher. The next time you call 911 for help, thank a cop. The next time someone pulls your a$$ out of a fire or wrecked vehicle, thank a fireman. All paid for by your tax dollars.
You are looking at this from the wrong point of view. Its not about not thanking a govt worker; it about economics and accounting. Lets say you have 2 job holders. One was paid 50K in private business and paid the Fed govt 10K in income taxes: net income to the Feds +10K. The other one was given Fed stimulus money to pay for his 50K salary and then paid 10K in Fed taxes: net LOSS to the govt was 40K. That is why for the govt, this is the least effective way monetarily to create jobs. You'd much rather see a 5K tax break to a private company to hire a 50K worker who pays 10K in fed taxes: net gain to the Feds 5K.
You mean numbers to prove that putting stimulus dollars into a pension fund isn't very stimulative? If you have evidence to the contrary I would love to see it...
CBO is useless given the assumptions they have to make and like you said junk in junk out. This applies to every administration not just Dmeocrats.
Of course, but the administration in question here is currently Democrat. Again, junk in, junk out. And the junk in this administration is feeding us is worse than ever.
If thing are going so badly in Europe how is it possible for a private sector manufacturer to create a super motorcycle costing $160K (Cycle World, this issue) and expect to sell any. Product development in Europe is surpassing ours. I wonder why? Could it be Europe, with its pernicious socialism and a lazy union worker is being more productive overall than the "capitalist" anti-union USA? Could it be European governments support smaller companies where most of the cutting edge development is done while we let them be crushed by multinationals that don't want any change?
The Europeans are taking over the top end of our markets where the real money is concentrated. The Asians are taking over the lower end where margins are tighter but volume is higher. What is being left for us? Building weapons that don’t seem to make much difference? Protecting feudal oil kingdoms at the cost of our own Republic?
Maybe out private sector business “leaders” want to become a feudal royalty of their own and be separated economically, socially and personally from the rest of us drudges that make their lives possible. The closer they get the less willing the rest of us are to keep playing at their crooked table. It is past time to burn down the casino and start over.
CBO is useless given the assumptions they have to make and like you said junk in junk out. This applies to every administration not just Dmeocrats.
I agree, it's not a political issue. The CBO's assessment of the stimulus when it first passed was laughably inaccurate. Their numbers are only as good as any other economic modeling results - make a slight change to an assumption and the result 10 years out is magnified out the wazoo. I suppose the numbers they come up with are better than nothing, but when one side or the other cites them as "proof" of anything, it conveys an unrealistic level of credibility.
You mean numbers to prove that putting stimulus dollars into a pension fund isn't very stimulative? If you have evidence to the contrary I would love to see it...
If thing are going so badly in Europe how is it possible for a private sector manufacturer to create a super motorcycle costing $160K (Cycle World, this issue) and expect to sell any.
But we have the Volt, and it's only $41K. Maybe if GM would jack the price up to $200K then we could compete with those Europeans?
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