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Old 09-04-2010, 09:36 AM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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you cannot be eligible for POTUS with dual citizenship. You can ONLY hold American citizenship.
Even if that were true, Obama qualifies. His British citizenship expired in 1963; his Kenyan citizenship in 1984. He is an American citizen by birth and his mother's citizenship.
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Old 09-04-2010, 09:36 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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by your definition dual citizens are foreigners to both countries.
Which is why dual citizenship should never be taken lightly.

Other countries may not exclude foreigners from government or official office, so the consequences elsewhere may not be the same, but the U.S. Constitution was specifically crafted to exclude foreign influence in the federal government at the very highest levels.
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Old 09-04-2010, 09:41 AM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Which is why dual citizenship should never be taken lightly.

Other countries may not exclude foreigners from government or official office, so the consequences elsewhere may not be the same, but the U.S. Constitution was specifically crafted to exclude foreign influence in the federal government at the very highest levels.
Actually, when discussing this issue some time ago, I came across a source that said the main reason was to disqualify Alexander Hamilton, who was born in the West Indies. To think the FF had feet of clay, just like our politicians today!
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Old 09-04-2010, 09:50 AM
 
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again, under this definition any country could destroy our presidency by simply proclaiming all US citizens also citizens of that country at birth.

correct ?
Not necessarily. Refer back to Vattel's subsection 212...
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§ 212. Citizens and natives.
The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens.As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children; and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent. We shall soon see whether, on their coming to the years of discretion, they may renounce their right, and what they owe to the society in which they were born. I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.
As already shown in the footnote posted earlier referring to the Library Company of Philadelphia, and Benjamin Franklin's letter to Dumas, Vattel's work was highly influential to the framers of the Constitution.
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Old 09-04-2010, 10:00 AM
 
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Which is why dual citizenship should never be taken lightly.
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obviously. my parents have made me a foreigner to all nations without me having any say in the matter. where would i be deported to ?
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Old 09-04-2010, 10:07 AM
 
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obviously. my parents have made me a foreigner to all nations without me having any say in the matter. where would i be deported to ?
Detroit
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Old 09-04-2010, 10:11 AM
 
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Detroit
oof......... that's motivation to stay out of trouble.
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Old 09-04-2010, 10:12 AM
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Location: MA/NH
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'i can't spend all of my time with my birth certificate plastered on my forehead'
Somehow I missed Obama with his birth certificate stuck on his forehead. When was that?

For the record, I would like him to make a public address while holding his birth certificate in his hand, and then with a closeup shot of it. How difficult can this be for him to do?
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Old 09-04-2010, 10:13 AM
 
Location: Redondo Beach, CA
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You're missing the point. Obama directly inherited his British nationality through his British national non-U.S. citizen father. Even he admits that. Obama owed allegiance to a foreign sovereign/country at birth.

We can see from John Jay's letter to Washington that the clear intent of the 'natural born citizen' clause in the Constitution was to exclude foreigners. Obama's allegiance to the British sovereign at birth makes him a foreigner, and therefore Constitutionally ineligible.
No, you're missing the point. Barack Obama was a "natural born citizen" of the United States of America the moment he exited his U.S. citizen mother's womb and landed directly on United States soil in the state of Hawaii.

Any other government's attempted claim on his citizenship is entirely IRRELEVANT to that FACT.

Period.
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Old 09-04-2010, 10:19 AM
 
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Actually, when discussing this issue some time ago, I came across a source that said the main reason was to disqualify Alexander Hamilton, who was born in the West Indies. To think the FF had feet of clay, just like our politicians today!
He was covered by the grandfather clause just like Washington and Jefferson.

Even HistorianDude is grandfather-immunized from his duplicitous claim of dual citizenship, especially as regards to his constitutional qualification as "natural born citizen" under Article II, Section 1 of the U.S. Constitution.
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