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There is no evidence that the universe was "created." If (as I suspect) you are referring to the Bing bang, that is not the point at which the universe "began." It is merely the point at which the universe became as it is now.
All the evidence (and the only possible logical conclusion from that evidence) is that the universe is eternal and uncreated.
There is no definitive evidence that is wasn't created, just as there's no evidence that there is no God. It's whatever you choose to believe, because no one KNOWS for sure. Beck's rally was in favor of returning to respect, love and values, which is God in his beliefs, and I'm not "offended" by this as others on this board are.
Last edited by SimpleMan; 08-31-2010 at 01:17 PM..
There is no evidence that the universe was "created." If (as I suspect) you are referring to the Bing bang, that is not the point at which the universe "began." It is merely the point at which the universe became as it is now.
All the evidence (and the only possible logical conclusion from that evidence) is that the universe is eternal and uncreated.
All I know is that some woman in Guatemala saw the Blessed Virgin in a potato chip and some guy in Montana saw Jesus in the rust formation on his furnace. That's enough proof for me.
That is what I said, you just insist you know what I meant, think and believe. I still don't care what you believe, and you're still wrong.
I just take you at your word.
Maybe you're not communicating well.
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Originally Posted by SimpleMan
If you don't want to belive in God then fine, but the core values and morals of most religions is a hell of a lot better than moral relativism. Without out an afterlife or responsibilty for your actions on Earth of some kind after you die, there is not right and wrong. One can rape, steal, murder, kidnap and walk around randomly punching babies and it doesn't matter. If that's the kind of world you want to live in then I truly feel sorry for you.
That is not what you said.
Still back pedaling, I see.
Still as ineffective.
Funny, I have never seen you admit to being wrong, even when it was blatantly obvious you were(which is most of the time). My point, practice what you preach or you get to wear the hypocrite hat!
There is no definitive evidence that is wasn't created, just as there's no evidence that there is no God. It's whatever you choose to believe, because no one KNOWS for sure. Beck's rally was in favor of returning to respected, love and values, which is God in his beliefs, and I'm not "offended" by this as others on this board are.
So what you're saying is that you choose to accept things as true despite a lack of definitive proof and even mold your life based on something you acknowledge that you can't possibly prove exists. Am I right?
Which God?
Its not political yet we have it in Washington DC?
Glenn Beck is on Fox news... he is Mormon.
Results.
1. Pressure from his church of later day saints aka the crazy Mormons.
2. The illusion of leading people who call themselves tea party supporters with some tears and showmanship.
Limited government and GOD don't mix.
God willing we will have limited government and less people in the tea party using GOD as a voting tool and get back to the idea of religious freedom not to have it running a party or your government.
We have a crazy country because we have replaced individualism with making government our GOD.
End the empire, end the income tax, end the nanny state.
You want to restore honor? Start by restoring principles of individual choice and responsibility.
Collectivism via socialism or religious motives destroy liberty.
Last edited by LibertyandJusticeforAll; 08-31-2010 at 01:35 PM..
I just take you at your word.
Maybe you're not communicating well.
Maybe you have poor comprehension skills.
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Originally Posted by chielgirl
You didn't write this in post no. 15?
Yes, do you understand what that means? No, you obviously don't, you just keep spinning. If there is nothing after this life, then right and wrong is in the eyes of the individual. If one does these things because they believe it is right, then they are just as correct as you are in believing it's wrong. The difference between you and me is I think we were taught right and wrong by example, and you think it just happened by coincidence. It does NOT mean atheists do not have good morals and values, it means we differ in opinion on their origin. Do you get it now or do I need to speak slower?
So what you're saying is that you choose to accept things as true despite a lack of definitive proof and even mold your life based on something you acknowledge that you can't possibly prove exists. Am I right?
No, you're not right (again). I believe there's something more than this life, but I'm open minded to what it is. You believe there is nothing. What makes you MORE right than me?
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