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All the differences in the world, make not a difference when the truth is, they all lie. Telling the American people what we want to hear and then doing something totally different. Arguing points of religion, same sex marriage, race, and so on, are old and tired. These things, does not an economy make or break. It only takes away from the issues that ACTUALLY MATTER.
Once respect for all is honored, the mindless bickering will halt. No sooner. No later.
As long as someones ideas and beliefs are not hurting another (respectful), what impact does this have on any other's life?
I think the approach to tackling problems is quite different. Conservatives, on the whole, believe in the narrative of "pulling yourself by the bootstraps". This is why 10% of the total electorate in 2004 was considered "poor" Republicans (making less than 40k a year, thus not poor in the strictest sense of the word). This is why we have Republicans trying to block increased unemployment benefits, healthcare reform, and other social programs. We can probably see this too in the realm of foreign policy. As a 2006 Pew Publication pointed out, our foreign influence is truly a doctrine of American exceptionalism. Our belief that we can go it alone and work long and hard and accomplish our own destiny is ironically counterbalanced with a destiny from God. This individualistic vs. predestined mindset has causes a rather unique mix of policies. You have lower taxes to foster individual ventures, yet social sanctions to appease religious values in order to be on the right track for one's destiny.
Democrats on the other hand walk a fine a line between trying to appease the more disenfranchised and the more right leaning general population. Less people in 2008 called themselves liberal than in previous years. The reason is yet another paradox. While more people voted for a liberal president, less people wanted to be associated with liberalism. Democrats then propose policies that aid these disenfranchised populations, but only to a certain extent. Healthcare reform is a perfect example. Rather than push through the public option, which the majority of Americans favored (72% during the summer of 2009) it would have been (as we see today) touted as too liberal. Democrats favor aid, only insofar as it doesn't completely upset their less liberal constituents.
So as you can see, it's not really going to be easily resolved. Both approaches have their downside and their upside. Hopefully our nation can use the assets of both to create a better America.
Comparing Conservatives and Progressives is hard since each individual belief and ideas aren't the same.
Talk to an conservative and you will get many different answers just as if you talk to a progressive.
Because liberty is and always has been a individual right labels and ideas and the pursuit of happiness must be left to individuals and the fruits of their labor. Liberty can not be divided into sections, with restrictions and control unless that liberty hurts others, ie, murder, rape, theft.
You will find many conservatives and progressives who do not understand liberty and if they say they do its narrow minded and shaped and molded to fit long standing agendas.
And where are the examples the OP asked for? I'll tell you where - they DON'T EXIST! Because this posts is pure hyperbolic nonsense.
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Originally Posted by lifelongMOgal
I'll answer in terms of conservative vs. progressive because the lines of corruption have been blurred until the parties are mostly the same, IMO.
Conservatives believe our constitutionally affirmed rights are given by our Creator and inalienable by government.
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Progressives believe the government grants rights and may infringe upon them at any time, for any reason.
Conservatives, in general believe in God or a Creator.
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Progressives believe the government should be god and recognize it cannot be worshiped by the masses unless they wipe the real God out of social institutions and books.
Conservatives believe children do best when there are two parents, husband and wife, in the home.
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Progressives believe government can take the place of one or both parents and do a better job at raising the children.
Conservatives believe personal ingenuity, hard work and the free market are the best means to economic success in the private sector.
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Progressives believe that the hand of the government in private business is the best means to government success and that the private sector doesn't deserve to succeed when there are poor to hand out entitlements to by taxing business owners heavily.
Conservatives believe that people who work or generate income should keep as much of their money as possible.
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Progressives believe that all money belongs to the government and they can take it by force via taxes to hand to others who do not work or generate income of their own.
Conservatives believe that charity is voluntary act of expression by people of conscience to help lift people up out of thier present circumstance no matter what their means or background
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Progressives believe that government forced social justice is the means to redistrubute wealth to select minority populations that will ensure their re-election.
Conservatives recognize government as a necessary evil to prevent mayhem but believe it should be as small as possible.
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Progressives recognize individualism as evil and a threat to their power so government must be huge as to overwhelm the subject-citizens.
Who got us involved in WWI? WWII? Who got us involved in Vietnam? All Democrat wars. Sorry to burst your bubble about Democrats never being involved in war. Guess what Democrats did in the run up to the Iraq and Afghan wars? They voted for it. So don't give us that crap that Democrats are innocent
No bubbles bursted here. I never said we were innocent in wars. At least there were tangible reasons and not fabricated WMDs.Times have changed, technology has changed, internationalism has changed therefore wars have changed. Neither side was in this century . We were all in new undiscovered territory. I was referring to present day or at least from 2000-2010. Both parties have changed and evolved into something different. However, most would agree, the Republicans have changed even more than where they began. Thier party is splintering. It is worse than when Ralph Nadar splintered the Dems party in 2000. Let Sarah Palin run!! Yay for the Tea Party. Me? I'm not really a Democrat but democracy wins in numbers and they are so much closer to my views than Sarah, The Tea baggers or John McCain combined
Is that the only contribution you are willing to make? Why don't you provide your own assesment and examples.
To be fair, it was simply hyperbole. You didn't really cite any examples, give any specifics, or even try at taking a critical look. How do you come to those conclusions?
give examples of how democrat and republican ideas are different. don't just give ideas, give examples.
This is like a schizophrenic with visual hallucinations asking sane individuals to tell him what he sees.
Anything we say, you will just shoot down because you have your own unique interpretation of events that does not agree with those ideas that are well accepted among academic scholars and the mainstream. For example, you claim that George W. Bush was a Liberal. Most would say Bush was less conservative than many conservatives with regard to fiscal policy but they would never call him a Liberal.
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