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Yes, absolutely true. This is one reason states and federal government should never be involved with healthcare payment for any other than those serving in the armed forces. It becomes a public entitlement, then when cuts have to be made, people cry about how unfair it is. People should be saving for their future medical treatment instead of running up debit on material goods, IMO.
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AHHH the empathy from the family values crowd is astounding.
I do not pretend to have the answers but, I cannot condone sentencing those who are poor & sick to death if in need of a transplant.
for the record, i am on ahcccs because i could never afford the premiums that many insurance companies wanted. i am diabetic, have high blood pressure, and failing kidneys. i thank god for ahcccs because i could not otherwise afford to stay alive as i have been unemployed since late 2006. but i also recognize that ahcccs does have limitations, and they do try to cut costs as much as possible, using generic meds where possible, using labs that provide lower cost testing, etc. when i finally need a kidney transplant, i will be grateful is the state picks up the cost, but i wont hold my breath on that one, and i wont **** and moan about not getting a transplant.
i dont feel entitled to health care, but again i am grateful for it.
for the record, i am on ahcccs because i could never afford the premiums that many insurance companies wanted. i am diabetic, have high blood pressure, and failing kidneys. i thank god for ahcccs because i could not otherwise afford to stay alive as i have been unemployed since late 2006. but i also recognize that ahcccs does have limitations, and they do try to cut costs as much as possible, using generic meds where possible, using labs that provide lower cost testing, etc. when i finally need a kidney transplant, i will be grateful is the state picks up the cost, but i wont hold my breath on that one, and i wont **** and moan about not getting a transplant.
i dont feel entitled to health care, but again i am grateful for it.
Sorry to hear about your health problems but, if you listen to some on these forums, you should have saved your money for this very thing & it won't matter if you die because obviously you are poor & we shouldn't have ahcccs or programs like it available anyway.
The point here is that the state has better things to spend it's money on than the sick & poor. One for instance is the money the state has to keep shelling out in lawsuits against it because of our sheriff's dept. Another is the brainiac who decided to sell off the state owned buildings & now has to pay indefinitely to rent them.
Sorry to hear about your health problems but, if you listen to some on these forums, you should have saved your money for this very thing & it won't matter if you die because obviously you are poor & we shouldn't have ahcccs or programs like it available anyway.
stuff happens. in my opinion however the federal government has NO business dealing in health care, except to regulate and oversee the system. the states is where low cost health care should be taken care of.
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The point here is that the state has better things to spend it's money on than the sick & poor. One for instance is the money the state has to keep shelling out in lawsuits against it because of our sheriff's dept. Another is the brainiac who decided to sell off the state owned buildings & now has to pay indefinitely to rent them.
actually the lawsuits are bull sierra. sheriff arpio is very effective in enforcing the laws of the state, and federal immigration laws, and the liberals hate that.
as for selling the state buildings, that isnt such a bad idea as the responsibility for maintaining the buildings now becomes the responsibility of the new landlords, and it does in fact save the state money.
Where are the physicians and the organization that funds " Docs Without Borders" , etc., and other charity orgs. that raise money for medical issues? Why don't they help Americans?
Fix 50 cleft palates in Brazil in one week, perform surgery on conjoined twins from Mexico...head on over to Africa and hand out free vaccinations, AIDS meds, fix legs of dwarves, it's all good. Perform a damn transplant for some American for FREE? Can't manage to do it.
Transplants aren't that simple, though. You need months of preparation and ongoing anti-rejection drugs and therapies, sometimes for life. That can only really be managed through an actual healthcare system - not a single charity operation.
stuff happens. in my opinion however the federal government has NO business dealing in health care, except to regulate and oversee the system. the states is where low cost health care should be taken care of.
actually the lawsuits are bull sierra. sheriff arpio is very effective in enforcing the laws of the state, and federal immigration laws, and the liberals hate that.
as for selling the state buildings, that isnt such a bad idea as the responsibility for maintaining the buildings now becomes the responsibility of the new landlords, and it does in fact save the state money.
So you are right wing and on ahcccs?
Wow you must get some s---- from both sides.
Getting any handout or help is a no-no on the right side & the libs must think your a hypocrite and a nutcase. LMAO<<sorry couldn't resist
The states do run the welfare programs that pay for healthcare, uh well at least for now they do or don't or don't wanna or chose to opt some out that need transplants.
Transplants aren't that simple, though. You need months of preparation and ongoing anti-rejection drugs and therapies, sometimes for life. That can only really be managed through an actual healthcare system - not a single charity operation.
Plastic surgery, cataract removal and even hysterectomies. Where's the hard core surgeries?
Fixing the woes of rampant AIDS in African countries is more tenable?
The HIV cocktail is less expensive than anti-rejection drugs?
So you are right wing and on ahcccs?
Wow you must get some s---- from both sides.
Getting any handout or help is a no-no on the right side & the libs must think your a hypocrite and a nutcase. LMAO<<sorry couldn't resist
The states do run the welfare programs that pay for healthcare, uh well at least for now they do or don't or don't wanna or chose to opt some out that need transplants.
Whatever happened to Obama care? It was passed wasn't it?
If the federal government is going to guarantee free health care for all, then you don't need duplication of that from the states.
So you are right wing and on ahcccs?
Wow you must get some s---- from both sides.
Getting any handout or help is a no-no on the right side & the libs must think your a hypocrite and a nutcase. LMAO<<sorry couldn't resist
The states do run the welfare programs that pay for healthcare, uh well at least for now they do or don't or don't wanna or chose to opt some out that need transplants.
personally i dont care what people say about me being a conservative and being on public assistance. i dont have a problem with a safety net, what i do have a problem with is the fraud, and waste that is rife in the system. if the government actually ran health care like a business, it would be far more efficient than it is now, and with less fraud and waste.
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