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Old 09-07-2010, 01:38 PM
 
Location: bold new city of the south
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I would have a problem with it too!
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Old 09-07-2010, 01:42 PM
 
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Against my better judgement, I'll once again and for the absolute last time, respond to your post.

I find it perplexing that when I stated a fact that the planet would thrive and be healthier if humans did not inhabit it, I did not discriminate as to which group, be it religion, race, political bent or otherwise, should go extinct.

...and then I get this response...


http://www.city-data.com/forum/15740193-post20.html

Please show me where you were defensive and critical of that post and deny me the right to call you a hypocrite with a chip on his shoulder. You cannot! I answered that specific post in kind and if you don't like it...too damned bad.

Now you can proceed with your maniacal, partisan and nonsensical rants to your heart's content, because quite honestly, I do not give a flip and have way more sensible posts to respond to. Have a great day.
You argue a position that the world will be better off without people. It is a stupid argument as if you have any idea what is "healthy" for the world.

Also, maybe you are simply ignorant, but are you aware that your side of the isle has promoted such? Be it the socialist marxist idiots and their solutions to genocide the planet to save it, to the wildly fanatic eco-nuts who proclaim that life would be so much better if mankind was eliminated.

Your response to that poster was fine, but it was your response to me that showed your true colors.

I made a quip about taking people hostage to promote your view, you came back with a comment that they should be compost.

Sorry, econut fanatic to the rescue again.

Only if we eliminated all humans, can the world be a better place.


It is an idiotic argument and while you make "joke" it as such, the fact is that it is actually taken seriously by many of your eco-nut buddies.

Sorry, can't help you. We know what you truly desire.
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Old 09-07-2010, 03:04 PM
 
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Normander, he may have a point, but if we humans must go I intend to be last So long as i remain I intend to be top dawg on the food chain too.

That last eco nut is compost now too.
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Old 09-07-2010, 04:42 PM
 
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Using up resources is directly tied to advanced technologies and better standards of living. Those resources can be oil, coal, wind, nuclear, geothermal... etc. The ability for us to "find" other life in the universe is not mutually excluded from how far advanced we can get without blowing ourselves up. That will require using resources up though. The argument seems to be that we have finite resources so we should limit the human race because of much resources we use. Those two ideals are mutually exclusing and the latter has no basis in fact, pure emotion.

Now, to these fiercly eco people, if we find other life forms in this universe do you think they have stopped using resources to get to us or even close enough for us to communicate? Do you think we will be able to travel further and further without using more resources? Think about what it took to first get in to space. Then what it took to get to the moon. Think about what it will take to get to Mars... It's not going to be less energy and it's well known that if we are ever able to form worm holes to get to a far off places or can somehow achieve near lightspeed that we would have to use more power than this entire planet can provide.

Think about how much energy CERN uses just to accelrate tiny particles!

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Two beams of protons will each travel at a maximum energy of 7 TeV (tera-electronvolt), corresponding to head-to-head collisions of 14 TeV. Altogether some 600 million collisions will take place every second.
CERN - LHC: Facts and figures
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Old 09-07-2010, 05:35 PM
 
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I suppose migration when Pangaea took place had nothing to do with extinctions of any kind, they all got their shots and were de-wormed. Actually 95% of all species ever to step foot on this planet are extinct. 5% are left, you do the math at how much we are responsible for. It should be easy.

Your Utopian ideals aside, you're polluting the air every time you exhale a breath, you're using a computer which is just shy of 100% of it being brought to you via oil along with many of your medicines, your food, your house and all of its workings.

Being good to each other has nothing to do with killing the planet.

Right now virtually everything is valued against the dollar (oil). It used to be gold but we couldn't mine it fast enough to keep up with population growth.

Poaching is natural and as you said "that's the nature of nature."

The rest is all personal choices for which you have no right at all to tell people how or in what way they should act.

That's how you and I got here in the first place....
I see you're a person of high morals.
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Old 09-07-2010, 05:44 PM
 
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Sorry if I don't see the world through a "magic mushroom" set of glasses...
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Old 09-07-2010, 08:57 PM
 
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No one knows and no one would know what the earth was doing and or when if it were not for man. Maybe earth would be better off with out man, but there is man, and the fact remains so far we are top dawg.

It is ashamed that man has been around as long as he has, and what has improved the most is the stick and a to stone, but that's just the way man IS.

So long as all men have access to sticks and stones, so will I.

Some of my sticks and stones are just that, real sticks with some very sharp stones, while others are a bit more modern. I have made both the primitive and some of the modern by hand myself.

It didn't exactly take a rocket scientist to get that all figured out. Pre oil, man had it made as I see it, and oil has cheapened life, but it sure did make life faster and a hell of alot eaisier.

Somehow I don't see anyone going back to ALL of the old ways, like the time of the hunter gatherer, or even tall ships running on hemp.

On the other hand we should go back to a world that runs on hemp in part, and I ain't talkin' smoking that crap.

One thing you can do to help the world is burn hemp in bio-electric plants, because massive quantities can be grown and harvested 3 times a year.

Oil can be produced and no matter what man must have oil, if for nothing else to lubricte metal parts. No oil, equals no machines.

This oil then could make synthetics of all kinds, plus natural fibers as well.

Hemp rope drove the world once and did it cheaply, and could do it again, and cleanly compared to dino oil. You could still have diesel, you could still have alcohol engines that dragsters run, and you could have hydrogen when it's time comes.

Hemp adds nitrogen composted and or in the act of growing it as well, so it could ballance out or rotate with corn, as another thing. It woud make fast soil I think. I can say I know that, but base a hunch on other weeds i compost.

Another reality is animals are a renewable resource and that is just somthing city dwellers need to get over. Many have no idea where their make up comes from, and what is in all store bought grain foods, which is some form or another of animal biproducts.

Like say potoate chips, which more or less has a animal fats content, and when I say make up, I mean womens war paints and perfumes. So no one gets off with no guilt if one must suffer guilt for being the top of the food chain.

And for those that don't like being the top of the food chain, I am sure those who do, can find some place for you to fit. Because if we are not at the top it means something else is.

If something else is, I am going to have a big problem with it.

good points.
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Old 09-07-2010, 09:25 PM
 
Location: bold new city of the south
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""And for those that don't like being the top of the food chain, I am sure those who do, can find some place for you to fit. Because if we are not at the top it means something else is.

If something else is, I am going to have a big problem with it.""




I'm with you!!!!!!
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Old 09-07-2010, 10:03 PM
 
Location: planet octupulous is nearing earths atmosphere
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Sorry if I don't see the world through a "magic mushroom" set of glasses...
personally i like rum goggles, they usually don't fog up that much
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Old 09-07-2010, 10:13 PM
 
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personally i like rum goggles, they usually don't fog up that much
Rum has a higher evaporation rate than the acids contained in psilocybin mushrooms, just sayin....
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