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Old 09-07-2010, 01:58 PM
 
Location: Flyover Country
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No, the economy was not in good shape in Jan 2009. But it is important to understand why. Government policy created a housing bubble that, when it burst, imperiled our economy and that of many western nations. And that government policy was not crafted by Bush or the Republicans. It was crafted by Carter, put on steroids by Clinton and fiercely defended by the likes of Barney Frank and Chris Dodd.

The Dumbing Down rolls on...
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Old 09-07-2010, 03:20 PM
 
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No, the economy was not in good shape in Jan 2009. But it is important to understand why. Government policy created a housing bubble that, when it burst, imperiled our economy and that of many western nations. And that government policy was not crafted by Bush or the Republicans. It was crafted by Carter, put on steroids by Clinton and fiercely defended by the likes of Barney Frank and Chris Dodd. Now politicians like Obama and McCain demonized "greedy bankers" for causing the meltdown and they were assisted in their distortion of truth by lazy, ideologically-motivated news media to the point that the lie has become the predominant narrative. And that lie has served to enable the Obama administration and the Dems in Congress to continue the same policies that caused the problem in the first place. I hope enough people have awakened to the lie and stand prepared to throw out the malefactors in November.
Poor little Republicans. Were their hands tied?

I wonder why, since these men whose names you and all RWs recite like the Stations of the Cross were directly responsible for the near-collapse of Western civilization, that not one of them has been called out or censured for their wicked deeds. Not the slightest peep about it from the poor maltreated Republicans who wanted so badly to protect us from them. Why do you think that is?

(I'd say the mortgage banking industry which lobbied for even more relaxed legislation had a little something to do with it, ya think?)
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Old 09-08-2010, 06:20 AM
 
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More doctors? Yes. The problem with healthcare (beyong the pharmaceutical industry and medical equipment) is that we physicians are somewhat of a financial dead end- we do not produce anything but our services and require insured patients to be profitable.
The problem with healthcare is that it's not a sufficient device for slaking "physicians'" greed? Wow.

Thanks for admitting it, though.
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Old 09-08-2010, 07:04 AM
 
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The problem with healthcare is that it's not a sufficient device for slaking "physicians'" greed? Wow.

Thanks for admitting it, though.
Perhaps you should read his post again. He 'admitted' that physicians require insured patients to be profitable.

Interesting how you automatically equated 'profit' with 'greed'. Wow.
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Old 09-08-2010, 07:14 AM
 
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Perhaps you should read his post again. He 'admitted' that physicians require insured patients to be profitable.

Interesting how you automatically equated 'profit' with 'greed'. Wow.
Of all professionals, doctors should be the most altruistic, should demand the least material compensation. Hawkeye says -- admits -- that "the problem with healthcare" is that it doesn't pay enough money
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Old 09-08-2010, 07:22 AM
 
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Of all professionals, doctors should be the most altruistic, should demand the least material compensation. Hawkeye says -- admits -- that "the problem with healthcare" is that it doesn't pay enough money
Sigh. Read it again. And again if needed.

No where does he say it doesn't pay enough money to physicians.

And of all professionals, doctors have the most stringent, demanding schooling and training...followed by literally life and death decisions on a daily basis. And for that, they should receive the least material compensation??

On second thought...forget about reading it again.
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Old 09-08-2010, 08:05 AM
 
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Sigh. Read it again. And again if needed.

No where does he say it doesn't pay enough money to physicians.
Um, he's not saying it pays them too much. His only complaint is about money. He calls it a problem.

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And of all professionals, doctors have the most stringent, demanding schooling and training...followed by literally life and death decisions on a daily basis. And for that, they should receive the least material compensation??
They shouldn't be going into medicine for the money. They should do it because they sincerely want to help people, and would do it for free. This isn't had to understand, is it?
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Old 09-08-2010, 09:32 AM
 
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Um, he's not saying it pays them too much. His only complaint is about money. He calls it a problem.

They shouldn't be going into medicine for the money. They should do it because they sincerely want to help people, and would do it for free. This isn't had to understand, is it?
Not hard to understand at all, actually, As a matter of fact, I think it's a peachy keen idea! Altruistic docs who love helping people so much, that, golly gee, they'd do it for free!

Tell you what...I'll be your first patient at Lollypop Junction Hospital. I'll just sit in the waiting room, petting unicorns and talking to those fuzzy little woodland creatures while I wait to be called back (by Tinkerbell).

Yup, that's a mighty swell concept.
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Old 09-08-2010, 09:44 AM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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Money generally ruins everything it touches. Medicine is no exception.

There needs to be a requirement that physicians and hospitals publish their rate and fee schedules for various procedures and services so that comparison shopping by the public is possible.

There should also be a pro bono requirement as a provision of being licensed.
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Old 09-08-2010, 10:05 AM
 
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Money generally ruins everything it touches. Medicine is no exception.

There needs to be a requirement that physicians and hospitals publish their rate and fee schedules for various procedures and services so that comparison shopping by the public is possible.

There should also be a pro bono requirement as a provision of being licensed.
So the independent, primary care physician should be required to treat for free X number of patients per month? Take a mandated loss?

Does this requirement of licensing also apply to plumbers? Electricians? Hair stylists?

If you're going to force charity upon docs, will that also apply to nurses? Dentists, chiropractors?
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