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Paying a tax that is for a public good - that all use - is one thing.
Paying a tax that is for someone else's good, but not your good, is another thing.
The problem with that logic is no one agrees what is the money spend for the public good really. Someone thinks that servitude is what someone else thinks is the public good.Thus politics and elections are a choice of which better suits your believes.The of course politics after that is defined as the art of compromise.That is why politics of specail interest in both parties corrupt them.
If we don't challenge the false assumptions, taught to us, over the generations, we will not stop incremental tyranny.
All law is the protection of property rights, all else is policy, and policy requires consent.
The Declaration of Independence states that job #1 = secure rights, and job #2 = govern those who consent.
Therefore, if you have not consented, "agreement" has nothing to do with it.
Moving onward...
As the DoI reminds us: rights include "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness".
We can further expand that:
NATURAL RIGHTS - ... are the rights of life, liberty, privacy, and good reputation.
- - - Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Ed., p. 1324
NATURAL LIBERTY - The power of acting as one thinks fit, without any restraint or control, unless by the law of nature. The right which nature gives to all mankind of disposing of their persons and property after the manner in which they judge most consistent with their happiness, on condition of their acting within the limits of the law of nature, and so as not to interfere in the equal exercise of the same rights by other men. 1 Blackstone's Commentaries, 123,
- - - Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth edition, p.919
If government enacts a law that punishes one who injures another's person or property, what "agreement" is necessary? What partisan politician is going to defend the injurer against the injured party?
Obviously, such laws enacted to punish crimes against one's life, property, liberty, and so on, do not cause controversy.
What IS the source of the controversy?
Laws that are NOT securing a right, but granting a PRIVILEGE - - - as in the privilege to receive the fruits of another's labor - - - are definitely questionable if not based on consent.
Since 1935, "voluntary" National Socialism (FICA) has slowly and steadily eroded the natural rights of the people, and supplanted them with "human rights" bestowed by "benevolent" government.
Is it not true that "free Americans" have to get government permission (license) before they marry, build a house, drive a car, fly a plane, transmit on certain frequencies, operate a business, buy or sell health care, and own a DOG? And they must now pay a tax for the privilege to own land, a house, a car, buy and sell at retail, and work?
Thanks to "voluntary" socialism, no one appears to have God given rights that government was created to secure. All they have are privileges granted by the Collective State - and that are taxed, regulated and restricted. It's no coincidence that the legislature has devolved into a corrupt popularity contest, where candidates are chosen on their ability to deceive and bribe (dispensing "pork" and taking "contributions").
So before you get distracted by arguing over which enslavement is the lesser of two evils, you have to determine how and when you gave consent, and what happens if you withdraw that consent.
In short, everything government does "to" you, that is not explicitly securing inalienable rights, is based on your consent to be governed. If you do not know how and when you gave consent, ask your public servants to explain themselves.
The founding generation knew better.
Virginia Constitution, 1776.
SEC. 6. That elections of members to serve as representatives of the people, in assembly, ought to be free; and that all men, having sufficient evidence of permanent common interest with, and attachment to, the community, have the right of suffrage, and cannot be taxed or deprived of their property for public uses, without their own consent, or that of their representatives so elected**, nor bound by any law to which they have not, in like manner, assembled, for the public good.
* All men ... cannot be taxed without their own consent.
* All men ... cannot be deprived of their property for public uses without their own consent.
* All men ... cannot be bound by any law that is not for the public good.
And if this is all "news" to you, you might also question the "value" of the education that "your" government allowed you to have - at taxpayer expense.
(** Only property owners who had paid their taxes could vote, and hold office. Ergo there was no assumption that non-voters were bound by "consent by representation", as were the voters.)
I think enough is spent. My parents, who were teacher & principal, always told me that. They saw lots of $ wasted in layers of school bureaucracy. For reference, my dad started teaching in 1931, for $31 a month. Schools had precious little money then because of the Depression, but kids learned. My mother started teaching in 1942, I think for about $45 or $50 a month. Schools had little money then because of the war effort, but kids learned.
Part 1 of the education nightmare. For several decades now, kids have come to school with little or no discipline. My dad saw some decline his last few years; he retired in 1975. My mother saw it get increasingly worse every year until she retired about 1982. There had always been a few rough students but they were the exceptions. They became more the rule. Along in there, teachers lost the right to discipline students as they saw fit & the inmates took over the asylum. Grades of course, were slipping all the while. Then the material had to be dumbed down, social promotions practically became law.
Part 2. More of the new teachers coming in were brainwashed in leftist politics and psychobabble. Rules shouldn't be so harsh. Instead of no running, say walk carefully. Education had to be more fun, more exciting, etc. Nothing wrong with keeping it relevant, but it was overblown. Then someone decided kids should learn lower and higher math at the same time. My daughters have struggled with math, partly because they have not had it presented in any logical way. In 4th grade, I had mainly multiplication & division. We stayed on that all year and learned it well. My daughters from about 3rd grade on, have had math all over the board. Some addition, subtraction, multiply, divide, volume calculations, etc. I didn't have volume calcs until about 8th grade. Simple stuff has to come first & then build on it. Kids have to have the tables in their heads well, to proceed with anything else. I do all I can from home to work on tables with them.
I managed a video arcade in the early 1980's. I gave a simple 10 question math test to job applicants. Examples; number of quarters in a $10 roll, # of dimes, nickels & pennies too. Kid brings in a bag of coins with 50 dimes, 30 nickels, 100 pennies. These coins, plus a dollar bill; how many quarters should we give him? Simple math, but about half the applicants could not pass the test. ALL WERE HIGH SCHOOL GRADS! Also, I could barely read many of their applications. Information was missing, words horribly misspelled, etc. A lot of apps hit the trash can.
I worked several years in an office. Amazing how many people didn't know the definition of "expedite", didn't know to keep copies of letters they sent out, etc.
In construction, I've trained new guys out of high school. At least half cannot read a tape measure or add measurements up, can't find center of a room, etc. About half also have to be taught the smallest basics that kids used to know, small screwdriver for small screws, large one for large screws, etc.
My nephew worked in an appliance store. A coworker took a phone call. Customer said he needed a new appliance, one had just died. He said "the space is a yard wide, do you have a model that fits?" Clerk said, "we don't have any in yards, all ours are in inches". My nephew heard enough to intercept and give info to customer. The clerk was a college student.
Just a few examples of how well prepared our students are these days.
I own a construction company. I have asked grown men how many 1/8 in an inch. An overwhelming number of them answer 16. Cannot calculate square footage, right angle, or mark a radius.
I own a construction company. I have asked grown men how many 1/8 in an inch. An overwhelming number of them answer 16. Cannot calculate square footage, right angle, or mark a radius.
Wow, unbelievable! I learned long ago that there are 3 kinds of people in this country - the ones who can count, and the ones who can't...
The department of Education is unconstitutional. The federal government should have no say in education at all. It need to remain a local issue and, at the college level, a state issue. How come one dictator in robes (a.k.a. a federal judge) can't declare the department of education illegal the same way these dictators "discover" rights in the constitution any time it suits their personal agenda? It's right there in plain black and white in the 10th amendment. How come they can't "Discover" that? Idiots.
The conquest of America, by indoctrination funded by the Federal Government has been a resounding success!
Proof?
Americans believe they live in a country with a "democratic form of government"!
Read Art. 4, Sec. 4, USCON.
Often with a bad economy, this choice has to be made. So what is more important, and why?
If we could only educate people about tax cuts and why tax cuts are nothing more then political tools.
If you want to cut taxes remove the income tax and replace it with a 3% federal SALES tax. Except on food clothing and housing.
Considering most of the education money comes from local and state taxes you might want to address those issues locally :-)
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