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blink. i'm a woman and i've been inside a mosque. more than once.
i noted the same thing as the op. there is a tremendous gap between the everyday average muslim and the fundamentalist fanatic terrorists shown on t.v.
the people were very nice to me despite my having breasts, and the only difference i noted in how i was treated was that the men couldn't shake my hand but they could greet me very politely (which they did).
That's no different from Orthodox Jews. The women worship separately and I've met Orthodox men via business who do not shake my hand. I don't take offense at that.
[quote=LuckyGem;15817519]It's a cult. If it was the religion of peace they wouldn't behead innocent people, stone women, make women wear a full body shroud in 160 degree weather, or have a culture of boy rape.
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You are aware that saying stuff like this as if it is the norm for Muslims doesn't make it easy for anyone to take your words seriously, don't you?
There are more than half a million Muslims in New York City, yet I've never seen even one wearing a burqa here. Others have (I think in Brooklyn) but the women who you meet on a daily basis in business or whatever usually either wear a head scarf with normal clothing or nothing covering their heads at all.
I've seen exactly one woman ever wearing a burqa. She was at a supermarket in Atlantic City.
In short, going to a mosque won't really tell you anything about Islam that they don't want you to know, unless you speak Arabic and they don't know it.
How do we know this is bull sh*t?
First off, there are about a billion Muslims in the world, and less than 200 million Arabic speakers. Hence... four out of every 5 Muslims do not even speak Arabic themselves.
We know a big family in Pakistan, and they (the females) have to wait outside, while the men go in. It is not the same everywhere. The point is, is that Islam is a religion that their own "kind" are not even allowed into their place of worship.
Ding ding ding. You were on the right track then you veered off again into the land of propaganda.
Islam is a religion with practices that depend on the culture of the country (and subcultures within a country) in which it is practiced. There is absolutely no reason in this day and age to grasp so tightly onto ignorance about this.
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I would tend to disagree with you there. Atheistic, Godless Communism is not a good thing. Such countries tend to be highly liberal, usually have a low value on life when it comes to the pre-born, euthanasia, etc.
As a whole--yes. They are more devout than most Americans are toward whatever religion they lean.
It was accomplished.
Rom 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.
Actually....allah did change his mind. Read some of muhammed's early writings...they're peaceful and good. He then became more of a warlord and allah got mad.
Again...I would disagree...but you have the right to be wrong about it.
Christianity does not in any way prescribe violence toward the infidel or sinner. There just isn't any support for it in the Bible. Not the case with islam. Whatever culture you want to look at.
Agree, but in practice, there was much violence done in the name of Christianity, often sanctioned by a government that was run by the church. Separation of church and state was a very good idea.
not all muslims are arabs or even speak arabic. in fact, most of the muslim world itself doesn't speak arabic. the largest concentration of islam is in indonesia. there are also iranian, turkish, malaysian, russian, senegalese muslims, and muslims from many other countries, that don't speak a word of arabic. the example you show here isn't about islam but the intersection of religion, politics, culture, and language.
That is true but the example I referred to was from a mosque where instruction was in Arabic. In Islam Arabic is considerd the official language that the faith is supposed to be taought in. If the Qu'an is in any other language other than Arabic it is considered "a translation of the Qu'an" and not the Holy Qu'an. Of course Muslims seem to forget this point themsleves when someone threatens to burn a few copies.
In Indonesian Madrassas millions of non-Arabic speaking Indonesians memorize large sections of the Qu'an in Arabic, sometimes without even knowing what it means.
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Yet you have nothing to link to showing that this even occurred.
Nice try.
I already said I couldn't find it in a search. No need to add the dissmissive "nice try". The articel IS out there though (probably more than one). Seek and ye shall find. Or don't. I don't care.
Yeah, that wasn't the one but it is another good example.
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How do we know this is bull sh*t?
First off, there are about a billion Muslims in the world, and less than 200 million Arabic speakers. Hence... four out of every 5 Muslims do not even speak Arabic themselves.
See comment above.
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That is true but the example I referred to was from a mosque where instruction was in Arabic. In Islam Arabic is considerd the official language that the faith is supposed to be taought in. If the Qu'an is in any other language other than Arabic it is considered "a translation of the Qu'an" and not the Holy Qu'an. Of course Muslims seem to forget this point themsleves when someone threatens to burn a few copies.
In Indonesian Madrassas millions of non-Arabic speaking Indonesians memorize large sections of the Qu'an in Arabic, sometimes without even knowing what it means.
i know and i am not saying your example is invalid. i am just pointing out that it's not 'just' about islam. it's about islam, and a particular country, a particular culture, a particular language, all intersecting to create a subculture. it's not fair to imply that all mosques or all muslims would say one thing in arabic (or the local language) and another in english.
the fact that many indonesians and other non-arabic speaking countries memorize the qur'an without knowing what they're saying just goes to show how removed they are from it. it's the equivalent of catholics or orthodox christians memorizing certain phrases or prayers in latin or greek or or jews reciting the torah in hebrew that otherwise don't speak hebrew. although maybe used to recite prayer or quote holy text, latin/greek/arabic/hebrew are only used in isolated instances in those cases. arabic is only the language of discourse in a minority of muslim communities. even in arabic-speaking countries, fusha (classical arabic) is used for the qur'an and an 'amia (the national/regional dialect) is used for discourse.
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