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Old 09-10-2010, 12:17 AM
 
Location: San Francisco, CA
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Wow....you are a terrible psychic.
I don't need to be a psychic to reach that conclusion; all I need to do is to look at your posts. It's pretty obvious. And it's pretty obvious in many others' posts, too, including the person who started this thread.
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Old 09-10-2010, 12:18 AM
 
Location: Imaginary Figment
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It's obvious the general public doesn't want them around. Is it possible to drum them out completely? If you put the question on a national ballot, would it pass? We could always round them up and send them to Mexico or Canada.
Send the self righteous, hypocritical and bigoted Christians packing while we're at it.
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Old 09-10-2010, 12:20 AM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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I don't need to be a psychic to reach that conclusion; all I need to do is to look at your posts. It's pretty obvious. And it's pretty obvious in many others' posts, too, including the person who started this thread.
Nope you should look into some other party trick,can you juggle?
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Old 09-10-2010, 12:37 AM
 
Location: San Francisco, CA
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Nope you should look into some other party trick,can you juggle?
It's not a trick.

I know this will be news to you, but did you know that it is wrong to stereotype all people on the actions of just a few?

Some black people cause crime, but that does not mean that every black person you see is a criminal (in fact, most aren't); therefore, we should not imprison people on the basis of their skin color.

Some Christians preach hatred and violence, but not every Christian is intolerant and violent (in fact, most aren't); therefore, we should not shun all Christians as hateful and violent.

Some Muslims are intolerant extremists, but not every Muslim is a violent extremist (in fact, most aren't); therefore, we should not persecute all Muslims as intolerant extremists.

Have you ever heard of this concept? Can you possibly comprehend it and accept it on any level? Why is this so hard for so many people in this forum?

Can you and certain others on here even recognize the fact that supporting the condemnation and persecution all American Muslims is completely contradictory to everything that the Constitution has ever stood for? It makes you a modern-day Nazi, not a freedom-loving patriot.
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Old 09-10-2010, 12:39 AM
 
Location: Maryland about 20 miles NW of DC
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Sure they do. Christianity accepts schisms and the step past schism. The Orthodox and the Catholics are in schism but the Protestants have broken off completely. In fact most Christian denominations excommunicate their members when they go too far out. That doesn't mean they can no longer believe in Christ but they no longer belong to the congregation.

Islam doesn't have that - but we can get it for them. We just have to make them like Westerners including the Westernization of their ideology.

Actually, when you get excommunicated in the Roman Catholic Church, is a little more than just being kicked out of the Congregation. You are barred from taking Holy Communion, you can't have a child baptised, you can't be a god father or mother to anothers child, you can't have your marriage vows sanctifed by a member of the Clergy, excommunication is grounds for a divorce in the Church and you can't have the rites of Christian burial or last absolution for your sins.
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Old 09-10-2010, 12:45 AM
 
Location: OKC
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It's not a trick.

I know this will be news to you, but did you know that it is wrong to stereotype all people on the actions of just a few?

Some black people cause crime, but that does not mean that every black person you see is a criminal (in fact, most aren't); therefore, we should not imprison people on the basis of their skin color.

Some Christians preach hatred and violence, but not every Christian is intolerant and violent (in fact, most aren't); therefore, we should not shun all Christians as hateful and violent.

Some Muslims are intolerant extremists, but not every Muslim is a violent extremist (in fact, most aren't); therefore, we should not persecute all Muslims as intolerant extremists.

Have you ever heard of this concept? Can you possibly comprehend it and accept it on any level? Why is this so hard for so many people in this forum?

Can you even recognize the fact that supporting the condemnation and persecution all American Muslims is completely contradictory to everything that the Constitution has ever stood for? It makes you a modern-day Nazi, not a patriot.
As per the above, (and to avoid the charge of hypocrisy,) shouldn't you point out that only SOME Nazi's were intolerant, but not EVERY Nazi was intolerant, and therefore you shouldn't paint all Nazi's with the same broad brush?

Or do you acknowledge that Nazism, like Islam, was a fascist political philosophy, and one can legitimately make judgments about a philosophy without being accused of bigotry?

In other words, why is it ok to make disparaging remarks about Nazism, but not Islam?
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Old 09-10-2010, 12:51 AM
 
Location: San Francisco, CA
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As per the above, (and to avoid the charge of hypocrisy,) shouldn't you point out that only SOME Nazi's were intolerant, but not EVERY Nazi was intolerant, and therefore you shouldn't paint all Nazi's with the same broad brush?

Or do you acknowledge that Nazism, like Islam, was a fascist political philosophy, and one can legitimately make judgments about a philosophy without being accused of bigotry?

In other words, why is it ok to make disparaging remarks about Nazism, but not Islam?
Because your premise about all Muslims being fascists is wrong. I'm not a Muslim, but I know some American Muslims, and they are not at all advocating intolerance or violence against anybody, which they should be doing according to your flawed premise. That is not a core tenet of their belief system, whereas violence against other non-Germans was a core part of Hitler's publicly-stated agenda. Christians did some pretty ****ty things in the past, and the Old Testament has some pretty intolerant things written into it. Are all Christians fascists? I didn't think so.
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Old 09-10-2010, 01:02 AM
 
Location: OKC
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Because your premise about all Muslims being fascists is wrong. I'm not a Muslim, but I know some American Muslims, and they are not at all advocating intolerance or violence against anybody, which they should be doing according to your flawed premise. That is not a core tenet of their belief system, whereas violence against other non-Germans was a core part of Hitler's publicly-stated agenda. Christians did some pretty ****ty things in the past, and the Old Testament has some pretty intolerant things written into it. Are all Christians fascists? I didn't think so.
That's kind of like saying not all Nazi's are national socialist. If they aren't national socialist, they aren't nazis.

Islam is not just a religion - if it were we may not be having this problem. Islam is also a form of government, and it is a legal system. It is a fascist form of government and a misogynist legal system. If a person doesn't believe in Islam, then they aren't muslim.
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Old 09-10-2010, 01:11 AM
 
Location: Maryland about 20 miles NW of DC
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It's obvious the general public doesn't want them around. Is it possible to drum them out completely? If you put the question on a national ballot, would it pass? We could always round them up and send them to Mexico or Canada.


You might be surprised that there are millions of Christian Americans who will take inspiration from the people of Denmark. When the Germans overan Denmark in 1940 and tried to impose their racial laws on Denmark they got a surprise. The Germans ordered all Jews to wear a yellow Star of David so they could be easily identified. The King and Queen of Denmark put the yellow Star of David on their coats and jackets. In short order nearly all 5 million Danes followed the example of the King and Queen and the streets of Copenhagen were filled with "Jews". The Germans couldn't tell Danes from Jews. The Danes shielded Jews and helped them get to Sweden. Most Danish Jews survived the war. The Danes showed that even in the face of evil you can have moral courage. So for those of you who want to plunge America into the heart of darkness that the Germans decided to jump into in the 1930s and 40s you might get a surprise "Copenhagen" style. To the Islamic community, Americas "Danes", the Children of the Book and the One God, will join you in our common fight against those Americans who follow Satan like the so-called book burning Rev. in Florida.
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Old 09-10-2010, 01:14 AM
 
Location: San Francisco, CA
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That's kind of like saying not all Nazi's are national socialist. If they aren't national socialist, they aren't nazis.

Islam is not just a religion - if it were we may not be having this problem. Islam is also a form of government, and it is a legal system. It is a fascist form of government and a misogynist legal system. If a person doesn't believe in Islam, then they aren't muslim.
I agree with you - in the Middle East. I don't approve of what they're doing. And I don't like violent extremists of any kind. But especially here in he USA, not all individuals who espouse any kinds of beliefs of the Koran are violent criminals. When you start out-of-hand condemning each and every one of them as such, you are anathema to the very principles of this country - much like those who decided after Pearl Harbor that every American with slanted eyes should be stripped of their rights and put into concentration camps. And furthermore, by indiscriminately subjecting legal American individuals to punitive treatment on the basis of religious creed, you're really not accomplishing anything with respect to tensions with the Middle East, real terrorist threats, etc.
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