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Old 09-13-2010, 06:26 AM
 
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10%. No more than 15% (that's what I pay now) with healthcare included!
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Old 09-13-2010, 07:04 AM
 
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YouTube - Paying income tax in America is Voluntary

Reed said it IS voluntary.
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Old 09-13-2010, 07:24 AM
 
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Not 100% true. Many of the welfare programs that are instituted by our government are meant to quell the lowest earning part of our population. This continues a beneficial business environment, which is mutually beneficial to everyone.

So, we'd need some basic welfare for citizens who can't care, or are unwilling to care for themselves.
I agree that SOME citizens need to be taken care of. However, our government has become a MASSIVE program for social and entitlement programs that we can no longer afford. These programs, once instituted, are a political "third rail" to eliminate, as people become accustomed to feeding at the federal trough and will resist any changes, even if it means our assured mutual destruction.
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Old 09-13-2010, 08:12 AM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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I agree that SOME citizens need to be taken care of. However, our government has become a MASSIVE program for social and entitlement programs that we can no longer afford. These programs, once instituted, are a political "third rail" to eliminate, as people become accustomed to feeding at the federal trough and will resist any changes, even if it means our assured mutual destruction.

Well which programs are you referring to?

Social Security? It'd be just fine if the money was taken out of the general fund, and put into its own individual trust fund. (of course then we'd have a MASSIVE shortfall in income for military expenses and other crap we don't need. Politicians can't have that)

Medicare? Personally I think that healthcare should be provided by the government if your employer doesn't provide it. A hybrid system is the best in the world. Government providing basic needs for those who can't afford it, and employers offering insurance to employees as a benefit to attact the best workers to their companies. Most elderly people are upset about losing their medicare, Republicans would never run on a platform to elimnate it, its not going away.

Welfare? You realize that you can only get welfare for a lifetime maximum of 5 years right? Most people go no where near that lifetime maximum.

What other social programs or "entitlements" are you referring to?
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Old 09-13-2010, 09:40 AM
 
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Nothing, that is why it HAS to be mandatory to maintain the country for the public good.
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Old 09-13-2010, 09:51 AM
 
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................Welfare? You realize that you can only get welfare for a lifetime maximum of 5 years right? Most people go no where near that lifetime maximum..........


http://www.amren.com/mtnews/archives/2010/01/county_spent_mi.php (broken link)

Time on Welfare and Welfare Dependency: Testimony before the House Ways and Means Committee, Subcommittee on Human Resources

Welfare Reform at 10: Analyzing Welfare Caseload Fluctuations, 1996-2002 | The Heritage Foundation

One of the means to reducing taxes be they compulsory, or be they voluntary with a defined goal of levels attained, must include the reduction of financial support handed over to those who are not producing, or have never produced any of their own financial support.

Until that level can be defined, it is, in my opinion, impossible to define a percentage that could be voluntary and expected to fund those programs which have become the social "entitlements" we see today. It would seem that historically a boom economy does little to significantly reduce those numbers of welfare recipients. However, we do know that the welfare roles increase during poor economic climates. Something MUST change in the way we approach social welfare.

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