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But the terrorists, including the cleric who issued the fatwa against this American cartoonist are not just enlisting themselves as individuals, they are issuing that fatwa to an entire religion are they not? To any followers of Islam who will heed thier call?
Say whatever you wanna say about Muslims , they are ignorant and poor, fact, doesn't have anything to do with their system of belief though
Fatwa means an opinion,the cleric is no God, neither entitled by God to issue orders, Fatwa can be wrong, it is not obligatory for Muslims to act according to it. and for this Fatwa their are 10 fatwas that demean it, yes alot of people will respond "positively " to it, only because they take it as a personal insult. they are public , so they are not very well educated and they follow the media just like here or anywhere else.
To Muslims, both the prophet and the Quran are highly sacred, remember that these communities are not secular " that applies to Muslim , Christian and Hindus, ...etc." as it is in the west, so religion is indeed of utmost value and consideration.
The wise thing to do is: show respect and don't insult their belief, no reason to do that, no reason to pour gasoline on the fire.
Fire has no choice as to whether to burn because that is the nature of fire. Are you suggesting that human beings lack the ability to make rational choices and decisions? Or, are you supporting the idea that radical Islamicists alone are not capable of being anything other than a threat to society when society does not agree or conform to their ideology?
Are you suggesting, as the article I linked pointed out about fire, that those who follow Islam and the clerics who issue fatwas for death, are unable to control their own behavior and are nothing more than fire?
Again, your attempt to compare sacred objects to the failure of Christians and Jews to react in similarly violent ways is just rhetoric. Obviously much of Islam chooses violence over peaceful rebuttal. So much so that during Ramadan alone there were 226 attacks in the name of Islam and more than one thousand killed as a result.
Fire has no choice as to whether to burn because that is the nature of fire. Are you suggesting that human beings lack the ability to make rational choices and decisions? Or, are you supporting the idea that radical Islamicists alone are not capable of being anything other than a threat to society when society does not agree or conform to their ideology?
Are you suggesting, as the article I linked pointed out about fire, that those who follow Islam and the clerics who issue fatwas for death, are unable to control their own behavior and are nothing more than fire?
Again, your attempt to compare sacred objects to the failure of Christians and Jews to react in similarly violent ways is just rhetoric. Obviously much of Islam chooses violence over peaceful rebuttal. So much so that during Ramadan alone there were 226 attacks in the name of Islam and more than one thousand killed as a result.
The clerics who issued the fatwa mistakenly think they are correct, and they are dragging their followers, The depiction of teh Prophet in a cartoon is tottyally unacceptable , and is required to stop, Killing them isn't a wise thing or acceptable to me to, killing the killers is more viable in my opinion.
So they are mislead, just like the Americans were mislead into the Iraq war to go and kill 1.5 million innocent and destroy a whole country for the benefit of some jerks, and we totally understand that now.
You don't get the point, them being Muslims, claiming to be Muslims, or you meant to think they are Muslims , or talking in the name of Islam doesn't have anything to do with Islam as a theology.
Example: fundamental Islamic rule, the Prophet words to every army that went to war was" don't cut a tree, don't fire a fire, don't kill an unarmed, a woman, a child or an old man ", that was followed by Muslims all over their history 1400 years. a few deviated , it is their own responsibility, now the civilization is declining, or already declined, poor and ignorant population that lost connection to their values.
So now you will say it is OK to kill them, I tell you, isn't it better to extend bridges of peace and understanding to them, instead of hatred and disrespect, if they react the same, then it is their problem, if they change, then we achieved what we all want, a peaceful world
I also expect you to be aware of certain fundamentals of world history, if not then our conversation is pointless, because then you only think the world started 10 years ago.
Kashmir history is full of brutal incidents against Muslims by the Indian government, there is a law there that protects soldiers that kill civilians while pursuing rebels through the county.
"...We take it as a given in this country that not only are all men created equal, but that each individual is responsible for his own actions. Each man and woman is a captain of his or her own self.
To say that Muslims have no choice in the matter, that they must act like animals, is to say that they are animals. If you tease a bear and he kills you, your stupidity is to blame. If you tease a man and he kills you, the murderer is to blame"
Perfect.
She teases an entire religion on a trigger issue and goes into hiding. Should they find her and carry out an assassination, there are laws against that and the perps will be rounded up and prosecuted and put away for life for premeditated murder one.
With all of the twits out of the way, the rest of the world can then live in peace and harmony without the nutjobs running around causing problems.
If, as many of you state, you want to live by laws and the Constitution, this is how it should be. If you want to simply defend her unwarranted attack on a religion because of religious prejudice and hatred of those different from you, take it down the hall. She was clearly in the wrong, and so are you.
Enough of this silly thread. None of us is going to convert the other. Bye now.
She teases an entire religion on a trigger issue and goes into hiding. Should they find her and carry out an assassination, there are laws against that and the perps will be rounded up and prosecuted and put away for life for premeditated murder one.
With all of the twits out of the way, the rest of the world can then live in peace and harmony without the nutjobs running around causing problems.
If, as many of you state, you want to live by laws and the Constitution, this is how it should be. If you want to simply defend her unwarranted attack on a religion because of religious prejudice and hatred of those different from you, take it down the hall. She was clearly in the wrong, and so are you.
Enough of this silly thread. None of us is going to convert the other. Bye now.
Excellent post and perfect conclusion, what is really amazing how ignorant folks are, and more amazing how they don't wanna confess it.
She teases an entire religion on a trigger issue and goes into hiding. Should they find her and carry out an assassination, there are laws against that and the perps will be rounded up and prosecuted and put away for life for premeditated murder one.
With all of the twits out of the way, the rest of the world can then live in peace and harmony without the nutjobs running around causing problems.
If, as many of you state, you want to live by laws and the Constitution, this is how it should be. If you want to simply defend her unwarranted attack on a religion because of religious prejudice and hatred of those different from you, take it down the hall. She was clearly in the wrong, and so are you.
Enough of this silly thread. None of us is going to convert the other. Bye now.
YOu bailed on the conversation after failing to answer direct questions. It seems once you couldn't bully people into seeing your way, and failing at logic and fact, you leave. Typical. We won. You lost. Bye.
The clerics who issued the fatwa mistakenly think they are correct, and they are dragging their followers, The depiction of teh Prophet in a cartoon is tottyally unacceptable , and is required to stop, Killing them isn't a wise thing or acceptable to me to, killing the killers is more viable in my opinion.
So they are mislead, just like the Americans were mislead into the Iraq war to go and kill 1.5 million innocent and destroy a whole country for the benefit of some jerks, and we totally understand that now.
You don't get the point, them being Muslims, claiming to be Muslims, or you meant to think they are Muslims , or talking in the name of Islam doesn't have anything to do with Islam as a theology.
Example: fundamental Islamic rule, the Prophet words to every army that went to war was" don't cut a tree, don't fire a fire, don't kill an unarmed, a woman, a child or an old man ", that was followed by Muslims all over their history 1400 years. a few deviated , it is their own responsibility, now the civilization is declining, or already declined, poor and ignorant population that lost connection to their values.
So now you will say it is OK to kill them, I tell you, isn't it better to extend bridges of peace and understanding to them, instead of hatred and disrespect, if they react the same, then it is their problem, if they change, then we achieved what we all want, a peaceful world
I also expect you to be aware of certain fundamentals of world history, if not then our conversation is pointless, because then you only think the world started 10 years ago.
Kashmir history is full of brutal incidents against Muslims by the Indian government, there is a law there that protects soldiers that kill civilians while pursuing rebels through the county.
We are at this place and this time in history, none other. What I am reading is that double standards must apply.
If most of the world is Muslim then why is not most of the world speaking out against the radical clerics who are so effectively able to whip up so many followers into murderous frenzies? Isn't it Islam who should be solving the problem within itself ardently if they do not wish to be perceived through the light that terrorism colors them? Why is it that tolerance and a bridge to peace and understanding is only seemingly applicable to one side of the conversation and not to the radicals committing atrocities worldwide in the name of Islam?
The wise thing to do is to obviously find out what Muslims don't like and don't do it.
So no pork, beards for the men and head to toe coverings for all women over the age of two.
After all Muslims don't like it. And the civilized thing to do is to do what they want, right Mr. Chamberlin?
Or maybe the civilized thing to do is not compare people to bears and dogs. Maybe the civilized thing to do is to hold people to adult morays and actually expect them to act like this is the 21st century and not prehistoric times.
The very idea of Muslims being upset at cartoons that offend their religion is laughable anyway. Just look at the vile imagery against Jews that permeates their own societies:
Mohammed was an unpleasant, nasty, war making moron who married a nine year old and wrote a book full of nonsense. Those are my personal views. That's called freedom of speech. More Muslims need to stop implying that unless we share their views physical violence against people is okay.
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