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Old 09-17-2010, 05:30 AM
 
Location: Louisville KY Metro area
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Just because I have always carried a tea bag in my wallet, I am still a thinking man. One of those thoughts that I have and disagree with the main stream TEA Party platform is the plank to limit terms.

I agree that ideally we need to elect and maintain a citizen based representative government. Career politicians need not apply! But, wait!!! I believe in freedom and the power of my one vote. Charles Rangel and Chris Dodd are perfect targets to "kick out the bums." However, the people from their districts wanted to keep them. That's what makes America the greatest.

Fellow TEA Party people, think twice before you support "Term Limits."

Signed,

Jimmy Carter
George H. W. Bush
Mike Castle
Lisa Murkowski
Elizabeth Dole
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Old 09-17-2010, 06:55 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Just because I have always carried a tea bag in my wallet, I am still a thinking man. One of those thoughts that I have and disagree with the main stream TEA Party platform is the plank to limit terms.

I agree that ideally we need to elect and maintain a citizen based representative government. Career politicians need not apply! But, wait!!! I believe in freedom and the power of my one vote. Charles Rangel and Chris Dodd are perfect targets to "kick out the bums." However, the people from their districts wanted to keep them. That's what makes America the greatest.

Fellow TEA Party people, think twice before you support "Term Limits."

Signed,

Jimmy Carter
George H. W. Bush
Mike Castle
Lisa Murkowski
Elizabeth Dole
Agreed. I guess the theory behind term limits is okay but as you alluded to, term limits takes the power out of We The People.
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Old 09-17-2010, 08:46 AM
 
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Default Term Limits

Good luck getting supermajorities of Representatives and Senators to hand a resolution (ie, a proposed amendment to the Constitution) to the States limiting their own terms.
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Old 09-17-2010, 09:22 AM
 
Location: Houston area, for now
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I also connect with the Tea Party but I agree with the OP. One of the foundation concepts of the Tea Party is to get our officials to listen to the people. It seams to me that term limits takes a way the right of the people to chose their leaders. If you can't vote for someone then the voice is obsolete.
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Old 09-17-2010, 09:25 AM
 
Location: Texas
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We already have term limits. They're called elections, but we're too lazy, too uninvolved or too disinterested to use the power we already have.

Term limits are nothing more than a shirking of our resonsibilities as citizens.
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Old 09-17-2010, 09:30 AM
 
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We already have term limits. They're called elections, but we're too lazy, too uninvolved or too disinterested to use the power we already have.

Term limits are nothing more than a shirking of our resonsibilities as citizens.
I used to believe that util I took a good hard look at the major recipients of lobbying $$. The longer a representative is in office the more lobby $$ they attract and the voice leaves "we the people" and is shifted to "we the special interest groups".

Take a look at the sweet salary, benefit, and retirement packages our elected representatives vote themselves and that is an additional arguement for term limits, IMO.

Power absolutely corrupts.
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Old 09-17-2010, 09:44 AM
 
Location: Texas
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I used to believe that util I took a good hard look at the major recipients of lobbying $$. The longer a representative is in office the more lobby $$ they attract and the voice leaves "we the people" and is shifted to "we the special interest groups".

Take a look at the sweet salary, benefit, and retirement packages our elected representatives vote themselves and that is an additional arguement for term limits, IMO.

Power absolutely corrupts.

In the first place, those lobbyist's and their dollars don't follow you into the voting booth. Once you go in there, and pull the curtain behind you, you're free to vote your conscience, free from any external influences and free from control. Blaming the results of our elections on lobbyist's and money is just an excuse for failing to practice due diligence when casting your vote.

In the second place, if you think our elected representatives are corrupt now, check out what happens in those states which already have term limits. Once a politician comes up against his limit, and knows that he won't have to face the voters again, in far too many cases, his vote on important legislation literally goes up for sale to the highest bidder. It's like a auction, with cash and post-political career jobs changing hands freely.
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Old 09-17-2010, 09:53 AM
 
Location: San Jose
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I used to believe that util I took a good hard look at the major recipients of lobbying $$. The longer a representative is in office the more lobby $$ they attract and the voice leaves "we the people" and is shifted to "we the special interest groups".

Take a look at the sweet salary, benefit, and retirement packages our elected representatives vote themselves and that is an additional arguement for term limits, IMO.

Power absolutely corrupts.
There are term limits here in California and many regret the implementation. I've posted this link before but here it is again:
http://www.mercurynews.com/politics-...nclick_check=1

A snippet from the article (the bolding is mine):

"Of all the mistakes I've made in public life, the one I regret most is advocating for term limits for the Legislature," said Rep. Tom McClintock, R-Granite Bay, a leading conservative figure in California who was one of a small number of incumbent legislators who backed the term limits measure two decades ago. "It has harmed the institution badly."

Whether most Californians agree will be tested by a measure that qualified for the 2012 ballot last week. It would change term limits — currently six years in the Assembly and eight years in the Senate — to 12 years total in either chamber or both.


A Mercury News investigation published last month documented a rise in the proportion of bills sponsored by outside interests since term limits took effect. The series exposed a system in which novice lawmakers, eager to build a record of accomplishment and collect campaign money for their next election, increasingly lean on lobbyists and special interests not only for ideas for bills but also for help in shepherding those bills through the legislative process.


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Seems to me that term limits are actually giving lobbyists more influence due to the lack of experience of our legislatures because of the term limits.



Vote 'em out if you want but don't take my choice away.

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Old 09-17-2010, 06:31 PM
 
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In the first place, those lobbyist's and their dollars don't follow you into the voting booth. Once you go in there, and pull the curtain behind you, you're free to vote your conscience, free from any external influences and free from control. Blaming the results of our elections on lobbyist's and money is just an excuse for failing to practice due diligence when casting your vote.

In the second place, if you think our elected representatives are corrupt now, check out what happens in those states which already have term limits. Once a politician comes up against his limit, and knows that he won't have to face the voters again, in far too many cases, his vote on important legislation literally goes up for sale to the highest bidder. It's like a auction, with cash and post-political career jobs changing hands freely.

I don't agree. I think the founding fathers had a "citizen servant" in mind for elected representatives rather than career politicians. Their idea was for elected representatives should come from the people, as one of them. and after serving them for a brief time in civic responsibility they would return to live among those people, again as one of them, under the same laws they had just passed.

Instead we have politicians that hang on to their power more tightly than college professors seeking tenure. They pass laws they exempt themselves from without ever reading the impact those laws have on the people they are supposed to serve. They pass laws to benefit those groups and lobbies that will be funding their next re-election campaign.

"Whenever a man cast a longing eye on offices, a rottenness begins in his conduct." ~ Thomas Jefferson


Edited to add: If term limits are a bad idea, do you support the repeal of the 22nd Amendment?

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Old 09-17-2010, 07:22 PM
 
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Term limits are the lazy person's answer to voting. Just like automatic transmission, automatic doors, motion sensors to control lights. Politicians will probably vote it down. Remember George Nethercutt? He got elected largely because he supported them. After six years in office he said he was wrong and wanted to run for another term. There was a serious attempt to repeal the 22nd amendment.
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