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Old 09-17-2010, 07:47 AM
 
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You know people sit here and tell us that Bush and Obama policies are so different.

They are the same and for about 2 years before the election in 2008 the democrats and Obama we would complain how the Bush policies have destroyed America.
So Obama gets into power and the democrats and they have the same policies.
Economic policies, another bailout, stimulus, and continuing the war on terror.
Both have ignored the border
Bush and Obama are corporatist, socialist interested in ignoring all the American Taxpayers to support a bigger government which is BROKE.

ITS BROKE people and the same policy that got us here is still being used and the government is not interested in OWNING UP to their mistakes.
To them this works, everyone is in debt, everyone is broke, everyone looks to them to fix it when they created it in the first place.
They created the bubbles not because of tax cuts but from easy credit backed by the federal reserve and the government mandates.
The govenrment does not control the economy but they do their best to make you believe they can and make socialist decisions to back poor banking practices. Freddie Mac and Mae.



Bush and Obama are the same neither were interested in freedom.
Bush was interested in big government to protect American from terrorist and ignored all fiscal economic responsibility.
Obama is the same because he believes in the same things and ignores fiscal economic responsibility and has spent more on the war effort and imposed another government program called health insurance.
Obama and this government is interested in spending money we dont have which is tax payer money to stimilated failed government ideas.
Doesn't the economic spending come from the people? Investment comes from the people. Maybe instead of the bailouts they could have take that 750 billion dollar and 850 billion dollar bailouts and just removed the income tax for 2 years.

If your telling me Obama shifted from Iraq to somewhere else or brought the troops home your dreaming. It was time its been 10 years and it was time about 5 years ago and they still have troops in IRAQ and this is nothing more political stragety.
What and or why was the reason the troops were called home? What did we accomplish and did we win?
Are terrorist still in IRAQ? They wont anwser these questions and the media doesnt ask because both are republicans and democrats who dont want to have the truth discussed. They would rather blame each other and never take responsiblity.

Ron Paul 2012.
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Old 09-17-2010, 07:51 AM
 
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Originally Posted by LibertyandJusticeforAll View Post
You know people sit here and tell us that Bush and Obama policies are so different.

They are the same and for about 2 years before the election in 2008 the democrats and Obama we would complain how the Bush policies have destroyed America.
So Obama gets into power and the democrats and they have the same policies.
Economic policies, another bailout, stimulus, and continuing the war on terror.
Both have ignored the border
Bush and Obama are corporatist, socialist interested in ignoring all the American Taxpayers to support a bigger government which is BROKE.

ITS BROKE people and the same policy that got us here is still being used and the government is not interested in OWNING UP to their mistakes.
To them this works, everyone is in debt, everyone is broke, everyone looks to them to fix it when they created it in the first place.
They created the bubbles not because of tax cuts but from easy credit backed by the federal reserve and the government mandates.
The govenrment does not control the economy but they do their best to make you believe they can and make socialist decisions to back poor banking practices. Freddie Mac and Mae.



Bush and Obama are the same neither were interested in freedom.
Bush was interested in big government to protect American from terrorist and ignored all fiscal economic responsibility.
Obama is the same because he believes in the same things and ignores fiscal economic responsibility and has spent more on the war effort and imposed another government program called health insurance.
Obama and this government is interested in spending money we dont have which is tax payer money to stimilated failed government ideas.
Doesn't the economic spending come from the people? Investment comes from the people. Maybe instead of the bailouts they could have take that 750 billion dollar and 850 billion dollar bailouts and just removed the income tax for 2 years.

If your telling me Obama shifted from Iraq to somewhere else or brought the troops home your dreaming. It was time its been 10 years and it was time about 5 years ago and they still have troops in IRAQ and this is nothing more political stragety.
What and or why was the reason the troops were called home? What did we accomplish and did we win?
Are terrorist still in IRAQ? They wont anwser these questions and the media doesnt ask because both are republicans and democrats who dont want to have the truth discussed. They would rather blame each other and never take responsiblity.

Ron Paul 2012.
No doubt about it they are all the SAME.
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Old 09-17-2010, 07:56 AM
 
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Default Libertarian vs. Authoritarian

Welcome to the Revolution

"Conservative vs. Libertarian Over the course of the last week or so we have seen plenty of articles in the news about the Tea Party. How it didn’t have the wide impact that was expected on the primaries. The Tea party groups are simply putting more conservatives into office instead of maintaining their Libertarian values.

Needless to say, these neo-conservatives are NOT what the Tea Party movement was all about. The movement has been high jacked by the neo-cons of the Republican Party. From Sarah Palin all the way down to talk show hosts like Glen Beck. Most of these same people would not give Ron Paul the time of day last election cycle.

Ron Paul started the grass roots movement and now we are being paid lip service of Libertarian rhetoric by two faced politicians who want nothing more then to get reelected. If anyone honestly believes that John McCain is against amnesty, they need to get their head examine. If anyone believes that Newt Gingrich is for smaller government needs to go back and read history. If anyone believes that the talking head Glen Beck is a Libertarian, they need to go back and find out what the definition means.

No these people are doing their job. That job is to keep most people in the Republican Party. They are doing a fine damn job too. They are all out there passing along the talk of Libertarianism yet backing the neo-conservative. Such social conservatives are the death knolls of the US. Their one true goal, control everything.

They are nothing more then authoritarians. There is no more left/right conundrum. Now it is simply Libertarian vs. Authoritarian. Democrats and Republicans have been preaching the same goals for generations. Just from different perspectives. The American people have been duped. Since both parties are basically the same, no matter which one is in power, the true Libertarian principles of our forefathers will never raise its head again because the actual Libertarian base never gets any real choice for people in office.

Most conservatives think they are voting for smaller government. They are not. What they think of as conservative and what government thinks of as conservative are NOT they same thing. What the people think of as conservative is really Libertarianism. What the government thinks of is moral control over the citizens. For the social conservatives they keep voting for conservative really means National Socialism.

Read the article here (Revolution Broadcasting | Crystal Clarity: Conservatism vs Libertarianism) for a closer look at what is being said by others on the subject. In this article there is a list to show the difference between Conservative and Libertarian. I have posted that list here so you can see for yourself the difference between the two.

CONSERVATIVE
Now remember, a conservative believes in small government and fiscal responsibility, individual liberty, free markets and private property except for:
1. Forced Social Security.
2. Forced Medicare.
3. Forced Medicaid.
4. Welfare.
5. Unconstitutional Drug laws.
6. Government Control over schooling.
7. Federal grants.
8. Economic regulations.
9. Minimum-wage laws and price controls.
10. Federal Reserve System, the Unconstitutional Central Bank.
11. Unconstitutional Paper money.
12. Unconstitutional Income taxation and the IRS.
13. Trade restrictions.
14. Immigration controls.
15. The postal monopoly.
16. Foreign aid.
17. Mass Foreign wars of aggression.
18. Mass Foreign occupations.
19. An overseas military empire draining economy.
20. An unwise standing army and a military-industrial complex.
21. Absolute Infringements on civil liberties.
22. Military detentions, denial of due process and jury trials for citizens & non-citizens (accused) of crimes.
23. Torture and sex abuse of prisoners.
24. Secret kidnappings and “renditions” to brutal foreign regimes for purposes of torture.
25. Secret torture centers around the world.
26. Secret courts and secret judicial proceedings.
27. Warrant-less wiretapping of citizens and non-citizens.
28. Violations of the Constitution and Bill of Rights for purposes of ensuring the above continues.
29. One last item: Out-of-control federal spending to pay for all this.

LIBERTARIAN
Now let us review the libertarian perspective. A libertarian believes in individual liberty, free markets, private property, and limited government. Period.
1. No exceptions.
DO NOT BE DUPED ANY LONGER

This is a midterm election year. This election will determine if we continue down the path toward National Socialism or start working our way back toward freedom. Neo-conservative, social conservative any type of government conservative is the WRONG CHOICE.

Ron Paul started the THIRD OPTION movement. NOW IS THE TIME TO EXERCISE YOUR RIGHT TO VOTE – TELL THE GOVERNMENT ENOUGH IS ENOUGH

Be wise with your vote – do NOT throw your vote away by casting it for the lesser of two evils. VOTE YOUR CONSCIENCE.

AMERICA NEEDS YOU."


Yours in Liberty
Jim Kearney
www.LibertarianViewpoint.com
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Old 09-17-2010, 07:56 AM
 
Location: PA
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No doubt about it they are all the SAME.

America needs to know one thing liberty from government.
Its not needed in any party only action.
The more authority over our lives government tries to implement republican or democrat the more will revolt.

I agree the tea party has been hijacked but not all of it.
Question is what will the independents vote for :-)
Liberty or Authority.
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Old 09-17-2010, 08:02 AM
 
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America needs to know one thing liberty from government.
Its not needed in any party only action.
The more authority over our lives government tries to implement republican or democrat the more will revolt.

I agree the tea party has been hijacked but not all of it.
Question is what will the independents vote for :-)
Liberty or Authority.
Too many are programmed to vote for authority.
The establishment has pounded into their brains that they need to vote for an authoritarian Government.

It is all based on fear.
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Old 09-17-2010, 08:05 AM
 
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Obama was the first Republican I've voted for in 15 years
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Old 09-17-2010, 08:10 AM
 
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Obama was the first Republican I've voted for in 15 years
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Old 09-17-2010, 08:14 AM
 
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Obama was the first Republican I've voted for in 15 years
Bubba was the last one right?
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Old 09-17-2010, 08:34 AM
 
Location: PA
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Obama was the first Republican I've voted for in 15 years


Remember congress writes the bills and sends them to president Obama. You must have alot of republicans in office... :-) Democrats and Republicans with the exception of a few have been what the people have voted for.
Socialism, Power and Corruption.
What did you expect from a powerful government with people in this country interested more in American Idol then their own country.
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Old 09-17-2010, 08:52 AM
 
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Bubba was the last one right?
Oh yes...I forgot about him... I was thinking about a local election.
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