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Sincere question - hoping for sincere (non-insulting or attacking) answers - if you identify with or agree with the majority of the Tea Party platform, please help me understand why (specifically) you are so very angry/upset/frustrated with President Obama/Democrats/people who don't agree with you.
Please reference hard facts (obtained from non-partisan sources), and please include at least one specific example of how the current administration's policies/legislation (that is, policies/legislation specifically enacted/created by Democrats/Obama since January 20, 2009) have directly impacted your life.
I only ask for such specific information because I don't want a regurgitation of of media talking points - I want to know how this is affecting you.
Sincere question - hoping for sincere (non-insulting or attacking) answers - if you identify with or agree with the majority of the Tea Party platform, please help me understand why (specifically) you are so very angry/upset/frustrated with President Obama/Democrats/people who don't agree with you.
Please reference hard facts (obtained from non-partisan sources), and please include at least one specific example of how the current administration's policies/legislation (that is, policies/legislation specifically enacted/created by Democrats/Obama since January 20, 2009) have directly impacted your life.
I only ask for such specific information because I don't want a regurgitation of of media talking points - I want to know how this is affecting you.
Thanks in advance for keeping it civil.
The methods that were used to pass too many bills up to now are the reason the Tea Party is so unhappy. They don't like the establishment people of either party since those people don't care about us but do care about their parties, only.
How was the Health Insurance Reform bill debated and passed? Why the Senate created it behind the locked doors of Harry Reid's office. I don't think that as many Senators were in there as were labor leaders, insurance representatives and other lobbyists, either. How long did debate of that thing last? I didn't catch one word of debate about it and since a majority of the people are against that thing maybe some debate would have been in order. The House didn't debate it at all, either. They just threw away their version and voted for Harry's pile of poop.
How about the Stimulus that didn't work other than for those who got the pork from it? Debate? None, just write it and vote. Do I need to mention any more of that kind of legislating?
I am being affected by the new taxes that will go into effect to take care of paying for new people to have insurance. That is redistribution of wealth and nothing else. The Stimulus law that failed so abysmally is going to affect me and my family since we all pay taxes to pay back the huge amount of money that had to be borrowed to effect it. Oh yeah, I am being affected by those laws. I might as well include the fact that my Medicare will certainly be affected by Obamacare.
I do not subscribe to the TEA party platform, but I recognize their plight.
Those who pull the strings have cleverly set up a complex web of interdependent recipients, whose partisan affiliation determines if it is their time to get a bigger piece of the pie.
Of course, that is NOT what the founding fathers wanted.
Government was instituted to do two jobs: secure rights (endowed by our Creator - not government) and govern those who consent. Anything less is unacceptable. Anything more is suspect.
Since 1935, and national socialism (via FICA), Americans have been manipulated into surrendering their rights, in exchange for government granted privileges (mislabeled "rights").
The TEA party stalwarts are those who have realized that they're getting the bill for the party enjoyed by others. And they're not going to take it anymore... Or I should say - not going to accept being "taken" anymore.
The problem is that even if TEA party adherents are swept into office, via November elections, nothing will change.
Most Americans are ignorant of the law, and have no intention to delve into it. I know I was. It wasn't until my late 30's did circumstances compel me to read that convoluted gibberish - with dictionary in hand - and incessant references back to legal authorities.
To sum up years of study into one sentence:
"All law is the protection of property rights, all else is policy and policy requires consent."
Since Americans "volunteered" into servitude, via FICA, they no longer have property rights to secure. All that remains is policy - which might explain why opinion polls and popularity contests determine government action. They have ceased to secure rights, and merely dispense privileges - based on taking from one and giving to another. That's why legalized bribery ("campaign contributions" and pork) influences the election and performance of the government.
The anger in the TEA party shall only grow, once they realize that their efforts were for naught.
I do not subscribe to the TEA party platform, but I recognize their plight.
Those who pull the strings have cleverly set up a complex web of interdependent recipients, whose partisan affiliation determines if it is their time to get a bigger piece of the pie.
Of course, that is NOT what the founding fathers wanted.
Government was instituted to do two jobs: secure rights (endowed by our Creator - not government) and govern those who consent. Anything less is unacceptable. Anything more is suspect.
Since 1935, and national socialism (via FICA), Americans have been manipulated into surrendering their rights, in exchange for government granted privileges (mislabeled "rights").
The TEA party stalwarts are those who have realized that they're getting the bill for the party enjoyed by others. And they're not going to take it anymore... Or I should say - not going to accept being "taken" anymore.
The problem is that even if TEA party adherents are swept into office, via November elections, nothing will change.
Most Americans are ignorant of the law, and have no intention to delve into it. I know I was. It wasn't until my late 30's did circumstances compel me to read that convoluted gibberish - with dictionary in hand - and incessant references back to legal authorities.
To sum up years of study into one sentence:
"All law is the protection of property rights, all else is policy and policy requires consent."
Since Americans "volunteered" into servitude, via FICA, they no longer have property rights to secure. All that remains is policy - which might explain why opinion polls and popularity contests determine government action. They have ceased to secure rights, and merely dispense privileges - based on taking from one and giving to another. That's why legalized bribery ("campaign contributions" and pork) influences the election and performance of the government.
The anger in the TEA party shall only grow, once they realize that their efforts were for naught.
Do you really think that the establishment groups in the two parties will remain in control if enough people see what the Tea Party is accomplishing?
I know what you are saying but I don't see them as losing their butts as much as you do.
Do you really think that the establishment groups in the two parties will remain in control if enough people see what the Tea Party is accomplishing?
I know what you are saying but I don't see them as losing their butts as much as you do.
Before I read the law, I would have believed that change, via the ballot box was possible.
After reading the law, I have no such belief.
The many reasons are hard to sum up in such a short space of attention.
One example that might inspire DEEP THOUGHT is the following (without the copious citations):
1. Government promises to help secure our rights to life, liberty and property ownership (see: DoI)
{You have a RIGHT to life.}
2. Government promises to govern those who consent. (ditto) If you haven't consented, you're okay.
3. Militia duty is defined as the obligation to train, fight and die on command. All male citizens between 17 and 45 are the militia.
4. The Supreme court ruled that militia duty (as are all civic duties) is NOT involuntary servitude.
!?!?!?!?!?!?!
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If militia duty is compulsory (with punishment for failure), yet it is NOT involuntary servitude, can you see the dilemma.
Someone didn't tell the "Draft Dodgers" of the 1960s and 1970s, how they volunteered to be liable.
Militia duty is certainly a violation of one's right to life and to liberty, to say the least...
Have you figured it out yet?
There has to have been consent given, before "compulsory" duty was not involuntary servitude.
Last I heard, there is no "Tea Party Platform". TP is basically a grass roots thing with no central organization. It's been debated (and demonized) for over a year. I really think it's too late to ask questions ..... you either "get it" OR not. For the "nots", quit worrying about the TP. The "gets" are probably done trying to explain to the tone deaf. The non-deaf continue to join the ranks and those ranks grow daily. You can lead a horse to water but you can force him to drink. Trite, but true.
As for "anger" - my impression is that the TP as moved beyond that. I think they are into just waiting for the chance to get to the voting booth at this point. It's all about November and a countdown clock now. They know they are now the majority - really amazing. This is the sort of thing that can happen when the boss finally wakes up and finds they have been robbed and the police says ... "so what"?
The methods that were used to pass too many bills up to now are the reason the Tea Party is so unhappy. They don't like the establishment people of either party since those people don't care about us but do care about their parties, only.
How was the Health Insurance Reform bill debated and passed? Why the Senate created it behind the locked doors of Harry Reid's office. I don't think that as many Senators were in there as were labor leaders, insurance representatives and other lobbyists, either. How long did debate of that thing last? I didn't catch one word of debate about it and since a majority of the people are against that thing maybe some debate would have been in order. The House didn't debate it at all, either. They just threw away their version and voted for Harry's pile of poop.
How about the Stimulus that didn't work other than for those who got the pork from it? Debate? None, just write it and vote. Do I need to mention any more of that kind of legislating?
I am being affected by the new taxes that will go into effect to take care of paying for new people to have insurance. That is redistribution of wealth and nothing else. The Stimulus law that failed so abysmally is going to affect me and my family since we all pay taxes to pay back the huge amount of money that had to be borrowed to effect it. Oh yeah, I am being affected by those laws. I might as well include the fact that my Medicare will certainly be affected by Obamacare.
This is the sort of thing that can happen when the boss finally wakes up and finds they have been robbed and the police says ... "so what"?
That belief is indicative of the victory of the world's greatest propaganda machine.
Technically speaking, in the law, available in any county courthouse law library, you can find the "inconvenient truth"...
Everything done "To Us" by government was authorized by our consent. Evidence is found on just about every government document signed and recorded.
Until consent is withdrawn, nothing will change for the better.
"He who consents cannot object..."
But he who hasn't consented has nothing to object to.
{read the law for yourself !}
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