Section 8 is a crime (employment, wages, salary, generation)
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Are you serious? What do WANTS have to do with this debate? I would expect any and everyone over the age of two to understand that life doesn't always give you what you want. The FACT is that we have transitioned from a society of primarily two parent households to a society of primarily single parent households. That's the way it is.
Instead of running government from how the "moral" right thinks society SHOULD operate, we need to run government from how society IS operating.
You sound like you have no idea what you're talking about. If you look at Chciago, a good amount of Section 8 housing that has resulted from the destruction of nearly all of that city's high rise projects is in middle-class neighborhoods.
Stop quoting the Bible to help your argument. Come back to Earth and realize that everyone is not going to live on the "godly" path that you dream of. Just because these people deviate from how YOU were raised and taught doesn't mean they need to suffer for it.
I am a 2 year old because I believe EVERY kid would like a mom and dad? OK And no, our society is not changing, or changing for the better. And why do you not ask what has helped accelerate this? No, NEVER will a kid WANT or NEED a one parent household over a 2 parent household. This doesnt mean a person cannot survive and thrive in a one person household, but in the end, what the hell do you think would be better for one?( financially and emotionally)
And who brought up the "moral right"? Huh
I do not know what I am talking about? lol Ok, Yes, I know, Cabrini Greens etc..I KNOW... But those people have simply been pushed to other projects, with SOME getting pushed into "mixed-income areas"
Stop qouting the bible? WTF are you talking about? STOP making me look like a RIGHT WING BIBLE person pushing an agenda..gosh liberals. I am a principled libertarian.
I am a 2 year old because I believe EVERY kid would like a mom and dad? OK And no, our society is not changing, or changing for the better. And why do you not ask what has helped accelerate this? No, NEVER will a kid WANT or NEED a one parent household over a 2 parent household. This doesnt mean a person cannot survive and thrive in a one person household, but in the end, what the hell do you think would be better for one?( financially and emotionally)
And who brought up the "moral right"? Huh
I do not know what I am talking about? lol Ok, Yes, I know, Cabrini Greens etc..I KNOW... But those people have simply been pushed to other projects, with SOME getting pushed into "mixed-income areas"
Stop qouting the bible? WTF are you talking about? STOP making me look like a RIGHT WING BIBLE person pushing an agenda..gosh liberals. I am a principled libertarian.
More...your last statement, you are an idiot.
Huh, you think like a two year old because you somehow think wants equate to actuality happens in life. From your poor spelling and idealistic views, I have no choice but to think that you have next to no life experience, yet you think you have the right to decide how other people need to be living.
You're the one trying to tell me how you think people should live their lives. By telling me this it is clear that you think your way is "moral" and right way to live. Your values don't and shouldn't reflect the values of others. I guess you would actually need to leave your bubble to understand that.
Lastly, facts are facts. There are a growing number of single family households. You're so focused on the wants of little Johnny and Suzy. Stop watching Leave It To Beaver marathons.
Whatever. I'm done.
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When did I say my way was "Moral"? You are putting words in my mouth to try to discount me as a christian right winger. Good try.
How have I not left my bubble? Again, you know me?
I haven't been to Church besides to go to two funerals and one wedding. But you know me. WHERE HAVE I MENTIONED I WAS A CHRISTIAN OR INTEND TO PUSH BELIEFS ON PEOPLE?
How am I intolerant?
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Huh, you think like a two year old because you somehow think wants equate to actuality happens in life. From your poor spelling and idealistic views, I have no choice but to think that you have next to no life experience, yet you think you have the right to decide how other people need to be living.
You're the one trying to tell me how you think people should live their lives. By telling me this it is clear that you think your way is "moral" and right way to live. Your values don't and shouldn't reflect the values of others. I guess you would actually need to leave your bubble to understand that.
You are a just another sheltered, right-wing bible thumper who thinks they have the right to have a say in other peoples lives. You are so caught up in your screwed up ways that you don't even recognize it.
Lastly, facts are facts. There are a growing number of single family households. You're so focused on the wants of little Johnny and Suzy. Stop watching Leave It To Beaver marathons.
Whatever. I'm done. I can only tolerate intolerant incompetence for so long.
So let me get this straight... I have no say in how others live their lives, yet the very same people have a right to MY hard-earned money?
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I'm against corporate welfare too but that has nothing to do with the conversation. Corporate welfare doesn't create pockets of high crime in otherwise nice neighborhoods that decimate the property value of the surrounding homes.
It has plenty to do with the conversation. I see guys like the OP ALWAYS bellyaching about these Section 8 types, and it's essentially misguided anger. "Pockets of crime" my arse, the bottom line is that these types of threads are created to play judge and jury (complete with anecdotal evidence) so people like you can take out your anger on a group of people you feel are less than yourselves. That's about it.
It's not REALLY about tax money, or the perceived waste of tax money. It's about finding a group of people for you to shyt on and point the finger at. If you were sincerely concerned about tax cheats/welfare mommas you'd look to corporations who do more damage to the everyday lives of American citizens with their loop holes and subsidies.
I don't believe in section 8. It should be eliminated, those administering it should be let go. We should then come up with a new standard of helping those who can't help themselves, and a new process for dealing with those who can but won't.
Well, some of the tenants of our 12 unit apartment complex are section 8. The rent is very fair and very cheap. Older people and quiet families, usually living 5+ to a unit. I have no problems with these people's behaviors. They seem upstanding and frugal. I don't think you can generalize that all of them are bad, and I'm sure their kids are doing well in school. Your section 8 money is actually going into my coffers, and then I pay taxes on them.
If you get rid of section 8 I am sure I could raise the rent... but it's not as if these people are animals unable to better themselves.
Well, some of the tenants of our 12 unit apartment complex are section 8. The rent is very fair and very cheap. Older people and quiet families, usually living 5+ to a unit. I have no problems with these people's behaviors. They seem upstanding and frugal. I don't think you can generalize that all of them are bad, and I'm sure their kids are doing well in school. Your section 8 money is actually going into my coffers, and then I pay taxes on them.
If you get rid of section 8 I am sure I could raise the rent... but it's not as if these people are animals unable to better themselves.
Miyu, I don't know exactly what the OP intentions were, but what I was referring to would be called the "projects". I actually like the idea of section 8 being used to mix with private housing.
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