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View Poll Results: What Is The FUTURE Of OBAMACARE?
It Will Be Fully Repealed and Replaced Before 2014 6 15.38%
It Will Stand As Is And Become Law In 2014 12 30.77%
The Courts Will Strike It Down Before 2014 9 23.08%
The Republicans Will Try to Defund Instead Of Repeal 12 30.77%
Voters: 39. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 09-21-2010, 05:33 AM
 
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It is a pretty forgone conclusion that the top priority of the Republicans is to get rid of ObamaCare. They are all running on repealing and replacing it but now it seems that they do not know what they want to replace it with! They just know they don't like it.
I would say that it is probably less than even odds that they will even succeed in repealing it. To do so would require that they win the Congress, the Senate and beat Obama in 2012. Once the bill is in full effect in 2014, it will be even harder to repeal it.
What do you think will happen to ObamaCare?
GOP divided on how to replace new health law - Politics - msnbc.com


Replace democratic policy and programs with financial solvency.

I find it amazing that liberals do not seem to understand that we are broke and cannot even afford the entitlements that we have, all of which will have to be cut. Obamacare was like throwing an anchor to a drowning man.
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Old 09-21-2010, 05:40 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Down the road, our paying for Health Care will have to get the private enterprise out of the way. The costs of recieving care are too high and will continue to grow, it makes no long term sense, to continue to tack on profit over and above those costs.



It continues to grow, because of Medicare and Government regulations, that make it cost more to do business. That cost is past on the the consumer, like it is in every business.
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Old 09-21-2010, 12:37 PM
 
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Courts will do away with it. You can not force someone to buy insurance.
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Old 09-21-2010, 12:42 PM
 
Location: Florida
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With your suggestions they would still need to override a veto with Obama in the White House. Will he trade that for something else, or not?
He cannot veto defunding.
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Old 09-21-2010, 02:07 PM
 
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Unfortunately,as it is obvious in my own relevant thread,there is no Repub plan for hc on capitalist lines & principles...

They just play defence against socialist attacks,therefore they cannot win...

Just delay or postpone,but no rolling back socialism...
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Old 09-21-2010, 02:11 PM
 
Location: in my imagination
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Insurance is an individual thing and the government has no business replacing a private enterprise with anything. Don't we have enough unemployment already?

We need some people in congress that will go line by line and get rid of all unnecessary spending. That would leave spending for security and safety only.

What would you do if that private enterprise didn't want you as a customer? Your kid develops a condition, you move to another state and your new job with insurance, the insurance won't cover your kid? I live in Fl, where most insurance refuses to write policies on housing. The only alternative for people to have protection is a state pool insurance. There would be no need for government to replace anything if business wasn't denying or being allowed to increase prices to the point a lot can't afford.

So what we also need is politicians who won't be bribed by certain industry. What some Republicans need to do is stop standing up for business no matter what they do, and while blaming government for problems , start admiting that free business aren't always ethical, and that maybe in those instances government can actually be a regulator?

While I have swayed often to support the small government philosophy , I see some "conservative Republicans" often say government has no place or right to do anything just about, while saying business should do whatever it wants without any moral judging. I don't agree with that, government protecting rights includes the people's rights, not just business rights. And if one or the other exploits the other, government can be used to regulate.
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Old 09-22-2010, 08:19 PM
 
Location: Portland, OR
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Replace democratic policy and programs with financial solvency.

I find it amazing that liberals do not seem to understand that we are broke and cannot even afford the entitlements that we have, all of which will have to be cut. Obamacare was like throwing an anchor to a drowning man.
What does that look like, Hawk? How far to the right does your personal compass point? As far as the Tea Party extreme of zero government, except for the military? Maybe a modest amount of government (mail service as well) but nothing called a wasteful social program? And what about the 360 billionaires and what is being called the 1%? I am really tired about the Republican raving about financial solvency. It is a pipe dream at this juncture. It's like a 400lb. couch potato wanting to look like Ahnold in one year. First you have to look like Richard Simmons, then maybe, revisit the idea of looking like a bodybuilder if you are that far out of shape to begin with.

The wealthy have never paid as much (proportionately) as the Middle Class to Social Security. As a percent of my gross income, I and other sub $100K earners have much more vested in S.S. than anyone with a net worth in the millions or billions. So what? Well, if you want to end Social Security, fine. Pay me back my $80K or $90K in contributions! Anything else is grand theft. I have friends who have been notified that, after decades of 3% deductions from their paychecks for pension benefits the company's pension plan has been canceled. Period. Just like that. No refund, no apology, just, that's the way it is, get back to work. So, what happens if the Government does the same thing? This is cool? This is ok? I don't think so and therefore I am not supporting any whacko who thinks America's best era was the wild and wooly days of Pre-WWII America when the Vanderbilts and Carnegie's were able to amass fortunes that, when adjusted for inflation, make Bill Gates look like a piker.

Not all Americans are so stupid as not to see the Right Wing revolution for the money grab that it really is. There is no plan in the Republican playbook to fix America's deficit just as the bankers never intended to continue serving America after they were made whole again by the bailouts. So, I'm asking you directly. How would a Republican fix America's economy differently from the way it is presently being fixed? Aside from the jobs, what about the way the economy is being restored upsets you so much? You have a job, yes? Most, if not all, of any American called a Republican has a job, correct? So, the jobs issue, which does not affect Republicans is a non-issue. What then, exactly, is the Republican disenchantment with things? Could it be simply, that America is not presently under Republican rudder? Just can't handle being second banana even for one term? Aside from killing the UHC bill which would simply restore the status quo, what positive changes would a Republican administration make to the future of America?

H (waiting patiently)
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Old 09-22-2010, 08:28 PM
 
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Courts will do away with it. You can not force someone to buy insurance.
Like you can't force someone to buy car insurance?

Like you can't force someone to buy flood insurance in a flood prone area?

Like you can't force someone to buy Private Mortgage insurance if they put less than a 20% down payment on a mortgage?
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Old 09-22-2010, 08:30 PM
 
Location: Reality
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Like you can't force someone to buy car insurance?

Like you can't force someone to buy flood insurance in a flood prone area?

Like you can't force someone to buy Private Mortgage insurance if they put less than a 20% down payment on a mortgage?
You don't have to own a car or buy a home. Try again, you can't force someone to buy health insurance because they aren't choosing to live.
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Old 09-22-2010, 08:32 PM
 
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The Healthcare Reform bill was never designed to fix our healthcare system. If Obama had fought for a Universal healthcare system, and won, that would be an accomplishment worthy of praise. As it is, and you've heard me say it before, we now have a government mandated monopoly for the insurance industry. I would not defend the bill if Republicans wanted to get rid of it. The problem, as usual, is that we have no other options offered by the Right. They have nothing to put back in it's place.

If a strong Republican candidate came out against the Healthcare bill AND against our insurance-based healthcare system, and instead pushed a completely free-market solution with NO middlemen, that would at least be a solution. But of course there are no Republican ideas, and certainly not for healthcare.

We need one or the other, because our current system is killing us:

1. Universal healthcare, Canada-style. Money is taxed, and healthcare is provided to all legal citizens as they need it.
2. Free-Market healthcare, sans insurance industry. Paygo. You pay your doctor as you would pay your plumber.

Instead, the old system sucks premiums from us monthly, and much of that money disappears as corporate profits. The care is not always there when we need it, as your claims are denied for various reasons.

Under the new system, the same insurance industry is now forced upon 30 million more customers, and the industry has every incentive to continue raising premiums, forever, until only the wealthiest can afford it.

SOB's in congress! Where are the Republicans fighting for option 2??? Where are the Democrats fighting for option 1???

Scoundrels, all.
Amen brotha!
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