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Old 09-21-2010, 10:44 AM
 
Location: Texas
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I read it and it was true. I condemn all hate and did so in that very post. Can you say the same? I asked for a link where you condemned Bush being compared to Hitler, being called Shrub and cartoons of him as a chimp; do you have them? If not that's two hypocritical posts of yours in the last three.
oh sure point out the truth using facts. Is that all you've got?
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Old 09-21-2010, 10:45 AM
 
Location: Texas
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most tea partiers do not know anything about the constitution
Prove it.
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Old 09-21-2010, 10:47 AM
 
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Good luck getting an intelligent answer. As far as I can tell most of them just regurgitate what they've been taught to believe by the liberal media like MSNBC/Maddow/Olbermann but they won't have any facts to back up their own media-incepted opinions, and then they'll get angry about their lack of intellectual prowess and start calling you names, or ridiculing you to try to dismiss your questions.
I agree. The only way they can disagree with following the US Constitution is to dismiss it. The only way to be against lowering the deficit, reduce government spending, reduce government intrusion into our lives and stop the out of control spending is to be in favor of all of these things.

So instead of a well thought out and intellectual response, defining their opposition to what the TEA Party stands for, we will get the same sort of childish name calling and school yard ridicule that we hear regularly from 0bama, Pelosi, Reid, and the elected democrats in Washington. And why not, these are the same people the democrats keep reelecting into office.
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Old 09-21-2010, 10:54 AM
 
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most tea partiers do not know anything about the constitution
A lot of Americans do not know much about the US Constitution, and you can blame government schools for that. And why would the liberal teachers ensure their students knew the US Constitution? Learning the Constitution would open their eyes and they would oppose much of what goes on in the US government, and they would oppose the very ideology the liberal teachers believe in.
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Old 09-21-2010, 11:00 AM
 
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I agree. The only way they can disagree with following the US Constitution is to dismiss it. The only way to be against lowering the deficit, reduce government spending, reduce government intrusion into our lives and stop the out of control spending is to be in favor of all of these things.

So instead of a well thought out and intellectual response, defining their opposition to what the TEA Party stands for, we will get the same sort of childish name calling and school yard ridicule that we hear regularly from 0bama, Pelosi, Reid, and the elected democrats in Washington. And why not, these are the same people the democrats keep reelecting into office.
wap, I've been critical of the Dems since I 1st started posting on this forum.

I've even butted heads with the overzealous democrat versions of sanrene quite a few times as well.

But for the life of me, how the hell can you honestly say, this theocrat with occultist tendencies sincerely believes in less gubmint intrusion?

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"Dig a little deeper into her past record, however, and one gets the sense that O'Donnell's legislative outlook is basically scripted by her social and religious views. In a C-SPAN appearance the Huffington Post unearthed from December 1996, the Delaware Republican said it was a "misconception that you, quote unquote, can't legislate morality."

"The reality of that statement is that if you don't legislate one morality then you are legislating somebody else's morality," she said. "So you can't get around legislating morality."
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What the F**K???!!

I thought the party people were about getting gubmint out of everybody's business?!!

"Newly elected Republican Senatorial candidate Christine O'Donnell has raised eyebrows in her brief turn in the public spotlight by promoting a position on cultural issues that borders on the extreme or the bizarre. By and large, however, her political platforms have been characterized as, basically, movement conservatism.

More broadly, she condemned lawmakers for fostering a pop culture that encouraged sexual harassment.


"We sit there and scratch our heads and wonder why sexual harassment is out of control in this country. It is because we are setting a precedent through our pop culture, through the songs that penetrate the airwaves and the sitcoms that are on television that are just saturated with sexual themes, that respect no boundaries," she said. "We need to just do a U-Haul of our pop culture. I think legislators, Hollywood film producers all need to reevaluate why they are doing what they are doing... We end up feeding a demon, feeding a monster and we are feeding this appetite so much that our generation is going to self-destruct quite honestly."


It's far from rare for a lawmaker to bring his or her religious or cultural convictions into politics. O'Donnell's theories on Hollywood and welfare, moreover, are echoed by others within the conservative movement."

So much for "limited gubbermint".
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Old 09-21-2010, 11:06 AM
 
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Tea bagging hasn't been about any of that, it is all about power grab. The constitution is just fine, the government could be better but the tea baggers are hell bent on extremism, a step towards fascism masquerading as "patriots" (Hitler did that). Don't believe me? Don't. You just might catchup with the realities someday.
What do hamburger condiments have to do with your fear of socialist dictators like Hitler?
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Old 09-21-2010, 12:01 PM
 
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I'd like to add my 2 cents here.

Frankly, I could relate to the anger and sense of betrayal felt by the tea party.

The gambling addicts on Wall Street got rewarded for their humongous failure and irresponsibility while Main Street was told to suck it up and pull yourself up by your bootstraps.

Both parties wasted no time and minced no words in saving Wall Street, while the rest of us were little more than an afterthought.

I was at 1st impressed by the energy and passion expressed by them over the bailouts but over time, it seemed as though their anger somehow got redirected from Wall Street and towards boogey men and phantasmic "Others" fabricated by radio disc jockeys.

Man, if the anger, passion and energy of the Tea Party movement were focused and targeted on:

1. The end of Too Big To Fail & the reintroduction of Glass-Steagal 2.0 (as Maria & McCain worked on in bipartisan fashion) so gambling addicts don't get to put their grubby hands into the taxpayers piggy bank.

2. Removing the anti-trust exemptions the health industry enjoys and which allows them to make ridiculous profits by virtue of their oligopoly status.

3. Stop shedding American dollars and life building infrastructure for suicide bombers that also want our gubmint to stop intruding into people's lives, while allowing the US to fall into shambles.

4. Get as riled up about offshoring of our high tech and manufacturing sector due to bad trade deals as they are about "ObamaCare" and all the other forms of "Pelosi".

then they would not only garner more support but they stand a much better chance at reversing the folly of the past 30 years.

But by not addressing any of these issues AT ALL, and championing fundamentalist theocrats that want the population to be indoctrinated by an emo guy with a chalkboard fetish is most certainly not going to help matters, in fact it'll just make them worse.

The problems of the past 30 years are not going to magically go away by burying ourselves in a bible and abolishing gubmint to allow the multi-nationals to take over.

There is some legislation, which albeit, is far from perfect, does seek to address the many structural problems in trade deals, energy and employment that if pushed by the Tea Party movement could help keep America on top. But seriously maybe it was different when it was started by Ron Paul, but the anger of the current Tea Party seems dangerously misdirected and could hasten the nation's decline.

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Old 09-21-2010, 12:01 PM
 
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I agree. The only way they can disagree with following the US Constitution is to dismiss it. The only way to be against lowering the deficit, reduce government spending, reduce government intrusion into our lives and stop the out of control spending is to be in favor of all of these things.

So instead of a well thought out and intellectual response, defining their opposition to what the TEA Party stands for, we will get the same sort of childish name calling and school yard ridicule that we hear regularly from 0bama, Pelosi, Reid, and the elected democrats in Washington. And why not, these are the same people the democrats keep reelecting into office.

The premise is that with the original OP the constitution is currently not being followed. Pray tell, which part of the constitution is it that you are having the problem?
The United States Constitution - The U.S. Constitution Online - USConstitution.net


You do not offer a well thought out and intellectual stance defining the TEA Party.
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Old 09-21-2010, 12:07 PM
 
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A lot of Americans do not know much about the US Constitution, and you can blame government schools for that. And why would the liberal teachers ensure their students knew the US Constitution? Learning the Constitution would open their eyes and they would oppose much of what goes on in the US government, and they would oppose the very ideology the liberal teachers believe in.
No, at some point you must become responsible for your own education. If you do not have that knowledge it is possible for you to acquire it. This is the responsiblity that you have as a citizen.
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Old 09-21-2010, 03:46 PM
 
Location: Blankity-blank!
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Shucks! Years ago a slang term for marijuana was tea. With great expectations of smoking weed and listening to Jimi Hendrix with other groovy stoned heads I put on my psychedelic shirt, hippy headband, sandals, and went to a tea party. Boy, was I disappointed! No Hendrix music, no Cream, no Stones! Just a lot of old, fat people with crazy signs milling around, shouting crazy slogans, and smoking ordinary cigarettes. I'll never go to another tea party again.
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