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Tea party members are NOT saying we shouldnt have taxes. We are saying that we shouldnt be taxed to death.
There is a difference
Who do you know who died while paying taxes?
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Originally Posted by swagger
Here, I'll throw you a bone.
I'll stand up for the 16th Amendment right here, right now.
Here's what your "news" outlets don't tell you, and what you have failed to find out when conducting your own research (which I'm sure you did):
Taxes are a necessary part of a functioning government. Nobody with any authority in the Tea Party movement is calling for a repeal of the 16th. Nobody with any authority in the Tea Party movement is saying that there should be NO taxes. Sure, you can find that one guy in a crowd of thousands with a sign that says otherwise, but that person is not representative of those thousands, or the hundreds of thousands/millions that espouse the Tea Party principles, any more than the members of the Communist Party at a liberal-cause rally represent the entire left wing. To use that one person to paint the entire movement is dishonest, and you know it, as does everybody (many on this forum included) that does it. Don't be one of those lying bags of crap. Debate honestly.
The problem that the Tea Party has with regard to taxes isn't the concept of taxation, it's the wasteful spending of the taxes being levied. If the wasteful spending is cut, people would be able keep more of what they earn. It's a simple concept that seems to have been lost amidst the sea of anti-Tea Party rhetoric, and one that most people - regardless of political persuasion - agree with, whether they'll admit it or not.
I thought there were no "people in authority" in the Tea Party. You know, no leaders, so they can disavow everything and anything.
You avoided all my points to spout typical Righty nonsense. I just hope everyone you love makes $100K plus AND doesn't get unlucky with their health or safety.
There should be no problem at all with 2 incomes coming up with 100k or even more. You will always have HC public option or not. People are not going bankrupt from medical bills, that is a damn lie. You can pay your HC bills $5 a month til the day you die and they can't do anything about it. I guess you're just another victim of this terrible country eh? Have you thought about giving the Congo a try and see how you like it? How about North Korea? Iran? Turkey?
Revenue is increased when the economy expands...nuf said about that.
Cutting spending reduces the deficit.
Lots of people are talking about across the board spending cuts. Seems like a reasonable approach.
I would like to see our corporate tax rates decreased since this would spur economic expansion faster than anything else. Besides, you can't "stimulate" a fundamentally flawed (over taxed)economy. The one-two punch of increased revenue combined with across the board spending cuts would effectively drive down deficits.
This whole premise of corporate taxes being too high is bull hockey. As demonstrated by the attached link http://www.businessweek.com/interactive_reports/corporate_taxes.html many corporations through lobbying efforts pay a far reduced percentage in taxes than advertised by the official government rate. In fact the general accounting office of the US government reported in 2008 that 55% of large US corporations did not pay at least one year of their taxes between 1998 and 2005 (complete breaks by the US government). Trust me, corporations are doing fine. The issue comes from corporate greed and the focus on the bottom line.
Additionally to the wider question, as to the premise of lower taxes, we all would love and welcome them, however they are unrealistic. Something would have to be cut. The largest expenditures by the federal government are the:
commerce and housing credit = 758 billion
national defense = 690.3 billion
social security = 680.5 billion
medicare = 430.8 billion
health care = 353.4 billion
Add these up and you get 2,913 billion dollars, 72% of the whole governmental budget. How can we trim these to facilitate lower taxes?
There should be no problem at all with 2 incomes coming up with 100k or even more. You will always have HC public option or not. People are not going bankrupt from medical bills, that is a damn lie. You can pay your HC bills $5 a month til the day you die and they can't do anything about it. I guess you're just another victim of this terrible country eh? Have you thought about giving the Congo a try and see how you like it? How about North Korea? Iran? Turkey?
No one going bankrupt because of health care bills? Oh, really?
There should be no problem at all with 2 incomes coming up with 100k or even more. You will always have HC public option or not. People are not going bankrupt from medical bills, that is a damn lie. You can pay your HC bills $5 a month til the day you die and they can't do anything about it. I guess you're just another victim of this terrible country eh? Have you thought about giving the Congo a try and see how you like it? How about North Korea? Iran? Turkey?
Since its so easy for a household to make $100K and to pay for medical bills, then I'd say we ARE most definately out of a recession and doing very well. So what are yall complaining about? Sounds like you ougtta thank Obama and the Dems in Congress.
Oh, and Turkey doesn't belong in your last sentence...
"One of my first dates with a witch was on a Satanic altar and I didn't know it," she said. "There was a little blood there, and stuff like that."
"We went to a movie and then had a midnight picnic on a satanic altar," she said.
Whi is this? Barack Obama trying to deflect the actual issues? The only power grab going on is Obama and his cronies. If you can't see that, then I hope you don't vote either.
You don't need to worry about my opinion of tea baggers. Given our (obviously) different capacities to comprehend attitude, we won't ever agree on it.
I know you all get your same talking points from MoveOn, I mean, you all even use the same exact verbiage, you could be a little more subtle, but anyway:
What is so extreme about
Following the constitution
Smaller debt
Less taxes
Less gov in our life
I'd like specifics, not "O'Donnell believes that masturbation is wrong", many people of all political persuasions do and it's not something that can be legislated anyway, so lets rule that one out. I want to know specifically what is "extreme" about our beliefs?
Based on the actions of several people running for office, or support the movement:
Many of you are against equal rights for gays, lesbians, and transgendered people, including people who serve in our military.
Many of you want to take away a woman's right to choose when it comes to abortion
Many of you advocate for states rights, this has traditionally been a tool to institute discriminatory practices against people of color or attack the rights of those not in the majority.
Many of you advocate tax cuts for the rich when they have the biggest increases in income in the last decade while middle class incomes have stagnated.
Many in your movement perceive of America as White Christian nation and seek to bring that doctrine to government.
Many in your movement think we are at war with the entire Islamic religion which inlcudes about 2 billion people on this planet instead of fringe elements that are radical.
Many of you support direct military action to prevent Iran from developing nuclear weapons.,
Some of your political candidates are against sex outside of marriage. That's really none their damn business what another American chooses to do with another consenting adult in their private life.
Many of you are extremely closed minded and have an attitude of American Exceptionalism, which is the belief that America is the best in the world despite the fact this country has slipped in global competition with other countries in health care, infrastructure, education, crimine prevention, and other quality of life areas.
Many in the movement are motivated by propaganda and not facts. Many lack the intellectual curiosity to truly understand world, and national history, finance, and economics. Therefore many in the movement are easily misled by false statements.
There is an extremely poor slate of political candidates in terms of education, limited worldview, experience, the ability to communicate or show any empathy with Americans that don't look like them, think like them, act like them and worship like them.
Some of you but not all of you are outright racist. Those of you that are not outright racist in many cases REFUSE to speak out against those that are. Therefore you are complicit in allowing racism to be a fundamental element of the movement.
Many of you don't believe all Americans are equal with respect to sex, race, ethnicity, national origin, sexual orientation, or religion. Many in the movement believe that as White Christians America is "Their Country" and the feel an overwhelming need "Take It Back" to assert and expand economic, social and political control now that for the first time in history an non-White American is in the White House as President of the United States and the country is becoming more ethnically, racially and religiously diverse.
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