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It really doesn't matter if your a conservative or liberal.
When government is strong enough to provide everything for you, and you willingly accept it.
Then government will be strong enough to take everything away from you.
You find this in any system were groups, government and officials are paid with compulsive progressive taxes, the police, IRS and federal bureaucrats needed to enforce and run them.
A military strong enough to put down any rebellion and a government bent on destroying the individuals right to succeed or fail on his/her own accord!
I argue we already have fascism, corporatism, socialism and communism all of which lead to the simple fact that we have many people who are ELITISTS JERKS!
When you have NO or LESS government, you are winding the clock backwards to Medieval Times, before the Constitution & Bill of Rights. Then we would be "Serfin' USA"
If socialism is the alternative to financial fuedalism I will take it any day. I would prefer real small c capitalism but that is contrary to the desires of our business aristocracy.
When you have NO or LESS government, you are winding the clock backwards to Medieval Times, before the Constitution & Bill of Rights. Then we would be "Serfin' USA"
Don't quite remember the history books talking about serfs and fiefdoms in America post Independence, do you? I think your liberalism is clouding your view of history. You libs confuse libertarianism and anarchy. The 2 are NOT one in the same.
Don't quite remember the history books talking about serfs and fiefdoms in America post Independence, do you? I think your liberalism is clouding your view of history. You libs confuse libertarianism and anarchy. The 2 are NOT one in the same.
Do you want to wind the clock back to colonial pre-Constitutional times?
What would they be whining about then? If we went as socialist or communist as the old USSR....what would they be asking for then? Would they actually go conservative and want their capitalism back? Would they want to somehow yet more liberal than that?
I see...
You don't grasp the contrast between system of government and economic systems.
Do you want to wind the clock back to colonial pre-Constitutional times?
Libertarianism = anarchy for the wealthy
That's just a load of crock. We had much more prosperity when we had less regulations when the government didn't get in the hand of creating regulations that were designed to crush competition.
No or "less" regulations, not good for average public citizen. Our Founding Fathers KNEW this:
"I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed
corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a
trial of strength and bid
defiance to the laws of our country."
Thomas Jefferson, 1812
Source:Liberty Quotes
I disagree. Do you know the hoops one has to jump through just to sell at a Farmer's Market ? Needless forms saying the same thing going to different depts of the same agency..each wanting a check to "process" it.
Do you know how many licenses and permits you need to sell baked goods at a Farmer's Market ?
And why in God's name did the government want me to tag my 7 chickens and pay for registering each of them ? (NAIS which got defeated).
Why does a USDA inspector need his own separate building on my ranch with a bathroom that only he can use to wash his hands if I decide to sell my meat ? BTW..I'm not slaughtering on my ranch but bringing the livestock to a USDA butcher.
I'm only familiar with Ag because I'm trying to get into that area and finding the hurdles one has to jump through are prohibitive so I have to find the loopholes that many other small farmers do.
Those are NEEDLESS regulations..we are drowning in regulations.
And do they help ? The egg fiasco should tell you that answer.
I disagree. Do you know the hoops one has to jump through just to sell at a Farmer's Market ? Needless forms saying the same thing going to different depts of the same agency..each wanting a check to "process" it.
Do you know how many licenses and permits you need to sell baked goods at a Farmer's Market ?
And why in God's name did the government want me to tag my 7 chickens and pay for registering each of them ? (NAIS which got defeated).
Why does a USDA inspector need his own separate building on my ranch with a bathroom that only he can use to wash his hands if I decide to sell my meat ? BTW..I'm not slaughtering on my ranch but bringing the livestock to a USDA butcher.
I'm only familiar with Ag because I'm trying to get into that area and finding the hurdles one has to jump through are prohibitive so I have to find the loopholes that many other small farmers do.
Those are NEEDLESS regulations..we are drowning in regulations.
And do they help ? The egg fiasco should tell you that answer.
Your proof of my other post above this one that the federal government regulations are put in place, specifically to benefit Big Ag (in this case) and not the small farmer. Aspiesmom, and other liberals, don't understand this is what we mean by less regulation
I disagree. Do you know the hoops one has to jump through just to sell at a Farmer's Market ? Needless forms saying the same thing going to different depts of the same agency..each wanting a check to "process" it.
Do you know how many licenses and permits you need to sell baked goods at a Farmer's Market ?
And why in God's name did the government want me to tag my 7 chickens and pay for registering each of them ? (NAIS which got defeated).
Why does a USDA inspector need his own separate building on my ranch with a bathroom that only he can use to wash his hands if I decide to sell my meat ? BTW..I'm not slaughtering on my ranch but bringing the livestock to a USDA butcher.
I'm only familiar with Ag because I'm trying to get into that area and finding the hurdles one has to jump through are prohibitive so I have to find the loopholes that many other small farmers do.
Those are NEEDLESS regulations..we are drowning in regulations.
And do they help ? The egg fiasco should tell you that answer.
egg fiasco reveals the corporatist fallacy that LESS regulation is needed, when actually corporations & businesses should not decide which and how many regulations there should be (corporate lobbying has influenced govt bureaucracies to look the other way!) We should NOT have Ag lobbies and Industrial lobbies, PERIOD!
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So what would libs want if we went communist?
(corporate lobbying has influenced govt bureaucracies to look the other way!
) We should NOT have Ag lobbies and Industrial lobbies, PERIOD!
