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Everytime I come on this forum, the conservatives have foam coming out of their mouths because of the nasty horrible liberals and their "socialist" ideas.
So what do these people think of conservatives using these social services? Those who get government health care and social security? Forget even that, what about conservatives on welfare? I knew a conservative person who lived across the street. Very very religious and hardcore into bush and how obama is socialist.
YET, he was on welfare. Soooo against it until he needed it. And while getting food stamps, he's crying about socialism. Same with abortion. They're all against it until they need one. Don't think for one moment conservatives havent had abortions. They're just hypocrites.
Is this the best of conservative idiocy and hypocrisy?
Conservatives are just hypocrites. I've love for them to give up their "socialist" social security or medicare benefits they complain so much about, think that will happen? There are more republican red necks on welfare than anyone else. They hate everyone that uses government programs except themselves.
I work in veterans employment services, and as a veteran myself I came into the job with a pretty conservative outlook, thinking that with a little strongly worded advice people could just go out and get themselves jobs to feed their families. My personal transformation from moderately conservative to moderately liberal came with the realization that good, hardworking, people sometimes have legitimate barriers to employment. Often, government assistance like a housing voucher or temporary financial assistance, or even a government grant for a work related skill upgrade is the only way to overcome an employment barrier such as homelessness, lack of child care, lack of adequate nutrition, or a physical or mental disability. Conservatives (along with extreme liberals) tend to see the world in terms of absolutes when in reality the world is more nuanced. But I don't really see it as hypocrisy when a conservative who has never been faced with this kind of difficulty criticizes others who are. They just don't know what they're talking about. Hardship like I'm describing is something you have to experience first hand (either as a victim or a service provider) before you can really understand it.
I'm pretty conservative and have been on SSDI,WIC both (I gave their madicare card back). untill we didn't them any more (SSDI) or didn't qualify (WIC). The cons I know don't want to get rid of those problems we just want to stop the abuse...
I'm pretty conservative and have been on SSDI,WIC both (I gave their madicare card back). untill we didn't them any more (SSDI) or didn't qualify (WIC). The cons I know don't want to get rid of those problems we just want to stop the abuse...
Some of them want to get rid of it all together.
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Originally Posted by anzobrist
I work in veterans employment services, and as a veteran myself I came into the job with a pretty conservative outlook, thinking that with a little strongly worded advice people could just go out and get themselves jobs to feed their families. My personal transformation from moderately conservative to moderately liberal came with the realization that good, hardworking, people sometimes have legitimate barriers to employment. Often, government assistance like a housing voucher or temporary financial assistance, or even a government grant for a work related skill upgrade is the only way to overcome an employment barrier such as homelessness, lack of child care, lack of adequate nutrition, or a physical or mental disability. Conservatives (along with extreme liberals) tend to see the world in terms of absolutes when in reality the world is more nuanced. But I don't really see it as hypocrisy when a conservative who has never been faced with this kind of difficulty criticizes others who are. They just don't know what they're talking about. Hardship like I'm describing is something you have to experience first hand (either as a victim or a service provider) before you can really understand it.
Some conservatives on this forum act like there is no such thing as not being able to find a job. They think that you are lazy and whatnot.
Why don't they open their mind and CONSIDER what may happen? But of course, they won't. They will sit there and whine. And cry. And yell. And stomp their feet.
Everytime I come on this forum, the conservatives have foam coming out of their mouths because of the nasty horrible liberals and their "socialist" ideas.
So what do these people think of conservatives using these social services? Those who get government health care and social security? Forget even that, what about conservatives on welfare? I knew a conservative person who lived across the street. Very very religious and hardcore into bush and how obama is socialist.
YET, he was on welfare. Soooo against it until he needed it. And while getting food stamps, he's crying about socialism. Same with abortion. They're all against it until they need one. Don't think for one moment conservatives havent had abortions. They're just hypocrites.
Is this the best of conservative idiocy and hypocrisy?
EVERYONE that has a job pays in to social security. Just because we have "some socialism" forced on us from the past does not mean we want any more. We weren't around to vote AGAINST these programs, but as long as we are funding them, we don't feel guilty about using them.
There are hundreds of programs that my tax dollars are funding that I will NEVER qualify for and other programs that people benefit from that they never contributed on cent.
From a Fiscal Conservative, Social Libertarian point of view I see a need for social programs how ever the social machine in America has continually made poor spending decisions.
People on welfare are not forced to work. There is to many people on welfare for to many years that work under the table or just don't work. The program encourages this by not making employment a condition of welfare. Institute better job banks solely for welfare recipients employment opportunities. Mandate Job = Welfare with subsidized payment. IE person is calculated to make $400 per week, Job pays $300, welfare subsidies $100. Eliminate undocumented workers and put those jobs into the welfare work bank. With out undocumented workers roughly 11,500,000 jobs open up. The Americans not taking low paying jobs argument goes out the window. When there is more welfare recipients then jobs available offer and mandated education to recipients in place of a job. IE Continuing Education = Welfare. People don’t need a Harvard education just skilled job training. Offer hands on education with computers, equipment, ect ect.
People have kids simply to get more money. When a woman has another kid the welfare check goes up. Get help for the kids you have, don't have more kids to get more help. . After the initial welfare request additional children should not formulated for a larger check.
There's no reason we dish out more than $52 million just to cover the welfare and food-stamp costs of illegal immigrants who have a child in the US.
Adjust welfare with a persons yearly spending. If a person buys a $30k car why are you on welfare. Eliminate food stamps, put in place welfare ran stores, managed the same as any other store but used solely for welfare recipients. Know where the money is going. Institute a welfare debit card system instead of cash similar to how some companies pay employees. Provide a photo ID to the welfare recipients that allows for free state operated bus travel.
Limit the time that a person is on welfare and the number of years before reapplying. I go with seven years along with credit. People are in the system for to long with no reason to get off.
To many people in the system have recent drug convictions. No reason a meth dealer is on welfare. Mandate that if a person has a drug conviction with in seven years, s/he can’t receive welfare. Five with proof of AA, NA, or other rehabilitation, credible references and no additional arrests.
Mandate a bill pay program where the Welfare department pays the essential needs, Rent, Gas/fuel, Electric, Water. Remove that amount from the welfare check. To many people on and off welfare pay late fees. If the tax payers are paying eliminate the late fees.
I have heard the argument that to many people cheat the system and that is true. When tax payers are paying others bills there is no reason that we have all the lose rules and loop holes that provide an Avenue to cheat so easel. People are not prosecuted for welfare fraud until it’s in the hundred of thousands of dollars range. Assign welfare investigators. Go looking to the people that we are paying. Get caught once = warning and probation. Twice = free food and housing for a year in the local jail. Then after the sentence the person cannot reapply.
There's tons of ways the program can get more deserving people more benefits. However the proponents don't want to address the problems because the problems keep the numbers up. It’s the people only look at numbers philosophy. The more people on or requesting welfare the more need for it.
People on welfare are required to work. There is a lifetime limit now and if they do not seek employment or get a job within two years, they get cut off. This was part of the welfare reform that took place under the Clinton administration. I am not sure why people think that welfare recipients can receive benifits for a lifetime. They also stop receiving any additional money after their third child, they do not get more money for every child, another myth constantly perpetuated by many conservatives.
I get tired of hearing about the welfare stereotypes. Most Liberals I know are doing very well financially and not receiving welfare or any government assistance. There are people on both sides that do, however, and I sincerely doubt that most people would not get assistance if faced with long-term financial problems that could potentially force them to be homeless or starve. The conservatives in this thread have been realistic and fair so far. I see that the usual self-rightous, Obama hating Liberal bashers aren't here. I wonder why.
Everytime I come on this forum, the conservatives have foam coming out of their mouths because of the nasty horrible liberals and their "socialist" ideas.
So what do these people think of conservatives using these social services? Those who get government health care and social security? Forget even that, what about conservatives on welfare? I knew a conservative person who lived across the street. Very very religious and hardcore into bush and how obama is socialist.
YET, he was on welfare. Soooo against it until he needed it. And while getting food stamps, he's crying about socialism. Same with abortion. They're all against it until they need one. Don't think for one moment conservatives havent had abortions. They're just hypocrites.
Is this the best of conservative idiocy and hypocrisy?
I'm thinking they would rather have a job than a turtle tunnel.
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There are more republican red necks on welfare than anyone else. They hate everyone that uses government programs except themselves.
