is the birther movement dead ? (interview, racist, Chicago, radio)
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That comment gives uranium a running in the category of density. Where in anything we've covered has any Italian law or document referred to "vailidity?" You really, really, really need to stop making stuff up when your argument has been disproved by the direct quotation of relevant law. It does you no credit.
I am making nothing up. You are not functioning in reality. Look at the extensive documentation required by the Italian Consulate to examine if one is even eligible for Italian citizenship:http://www.conssanfrancisco.esteri.it/NR/rdonlyres/68999DAA-9D5C-4572-897B-26849FDAF580/0/JURESANGUINISINFORMAZIONI1.doc (broken link)
The UK has no such requirement. In fact, they specifically state:
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Children who have automatically become British citizens do not need to register.
Do you disagree that if Obama wanted a British Passport, he would have to actually apply for one?
How is that any different than a US citizen having to actually apply for a US passport. Not all US citizens have a US passport.
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Please.... I know that the intellectual bankruptcy of your arguments generally cannot be maintained without avoiding the answering of direct questions at every turn, but give this one a shot.
Yes or no?
You do realize how ridiculous your question is, right?
Really, I have been quite patient with you, providing a HUGE amount of documentation to support my position on this. The further this discussion continues, and the more you are proven incorrect, the more hostile you have become. That's telling in and of itself.
Obama may not have turned out to be a very good President (so far, anyway), but he is not stupid. He knows whether or not he was born here and therefore was qualified for President. Does anyone really think he would have ran knowing he was not?
If the primary source is Italian law (and it is) then any Italian government paraphrase of that law is secondary.
Are you claiming that the applicable Italian Consulate in the US is not the agency to which one born within its region would apply for Italian citizenship? Really? They indicate otherwise:
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IN ORDER TO SUBMIT YOUR APPLICATION TO THIS CONSULATE, YOU MUST BE A RESIDENT OF ONE OF THE FOLLOWING STATES: CALIFORNIA (except San Luis Obispo, Kern, San Bernardino, Santa Barbara, Ventura, Los Angeles, Riverside, San Diego, Imperial Valley, Orange Counties), ALASKA, HAWAII, IDAHO, MONTANA, OREGON, UTAH, WASHINGTON STATE
Note how that is then followed by a l-o-n-g list of required documentation (including long form birth certificates) that must be submitted to examine if one is even eligibile for Italian citizenship.http://www.conssanfrancisco.esteri.it/NR/rdonlyres/68999DAA-9D5C-4572-897B-26849FDAF580/0/JURESANGUINISINFORMAZIONI1.doc (broken link)
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Originally Posted by HistorianDude
You showed us an application for "Recognition of Italian Citizenship."
Yes, because Italian citizenship must be recognized by Italy, it is not automatic. See the lengthy application process above.
Note how the UK does not even require citizen children born abroad to register. They are automatically UK citizens.
The US acknowledges that persons may have dual nationality...
yes... and to date no one in any position of authority has said having dual citizenship affects a person's NBC status. not congress, not the state department, not a constitutional scholar........
Unless you are suggesting that one must be an Italian citizen to be eligible for the Presidency of the United States, one can only wonder what you point is? Exactly?
The point is that, ironically, Italy requires much more extensive documentation to establish citizenship than Obama has shown to 'claim' he is eligible to be POTUS.
I am making nothing up. You are not functioning in reality. Look at the extensive documentation required by the Italian Consulate to examine if one is even eligible for Italian citizenship
You continue to lie about the application. It is for recognition of citizenship, not an application for citizenship.
And what do you find unusual about the determination of eligibility? Obama would also have to prove his eligibility to the UK.
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Originally Posted by InformedConsent
The UK has no such requirement. In fact, they specifically state.
As usual, you dishonestly edit the source. You left out the second sentence.
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Children who have automatically become British citizens do not need to register. You should read the page Who has citizenship for more details.
When you read that page, you discover that Obama apparently does not qualify.
That because it is not a reference to automatic citizenship at birth at all. It is a reference to the citizenship that was automatically granted under the British Nationality (No2) Act of 1964.
You really need to spend some time understanding the details. Your tendency to gloss without actually reading always seems to get you in trouble.
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Originally Posted by InformedConsent
You do realize how ridiculous your question is, right?
And yet you are too terrified to answer it. So it must not be all that ridiculous.
The point is that, ironically, Italy requires much more extensive documentation to establish citizenship than Obama has shown to 'claim' he is eligible to be POTUS.
pretty funny and ironic in the debate but...... not really relevant. hawaii has already stated that since 2001 the COLB is the only official document they release for proof of birth. it meets all the specifications set by the state department.
do you believe that italy will refuse citizenship to all hawaiians born after 2001 or have lost their original copy?
the only thing that could be relevant to NBC on a long form is if there were boxes to be marked by the parents:
A): foreign diplomat.
B): member of invading army.
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) that must be submitted to examine if one is even eligibile for Italian citizenship.http://www.conssanfrancisco.esteri.it/NR/rdonlyres/68999DAA-9D5C-4572-897B-26849FDAF580/0/JURESANGUINISINFORMAZIONI1.doc (broken link)
