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Old 01-14-2011, 08:20 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Not AFTER the signing of the Constitution, only BEFORE the signing.
Today and always.
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Old 01-14-2011, 09:58 PM
 
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for all this fun with constitutional interpretation there is one thing that has puzzled me...... why haven't the birthers invested in a lobbyist ?

even if orly ( or berg or kreep or apuzzo or the lakin defense or..... ) had won their case(s) at 1pm 1/20/09 in the SCOTUS it wouldn't have removed the president from office. not without congress and an impeachment.

i've always been curious between all the birther lawyers/websites exactly how much money has been donated and where it went.
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Old 01-14-2011, 10:17 PM
 
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Today and always.
Dual citizenship at birth creates a lifelong hermaphroditic loyalty of potentially pendular trustworthiness.

Exceeding this confusion of loyalty would only rarely be found in those born of multi-citizenship status, such as for example, a person born in one of the United States but of an Italian citizenship mother and an Irish citizenship father, where the father abandons the mother and child before, or shortly after, birth.

Honestly, who could trust such a creature?
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Old 01-14-2011, 10:23 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Dual citizenship at birth creates a lifelong hermaphroditic loyalty of potentially pendular trustworthiness.
And yet... they are completely eligible for the Presidency.
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Old 01-14-2011, 10:31 PM
 
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for all this fun with constitutional interpretation there is one thing that has puzzled me...... why haven't the birthers invested in a lobbyist ?

even if orly ( or berg or kreep or apuzzo or the lakin defense or..... ) had won their case(s) at 1pm 1/20/09 in the SCOTUS it wouldn't have removed the president from office. not without congress and an impeachment.

i've always been curious between all the birther lawyers/websites exactly how much money has been donated and where it went.
You know damned well that a president who is not the president cannot be impeached, because only the president can be impeached.

A non-president president can occupy the office of the president for life, as s/he is not bound by any rules, or law, of departure.

If a president is elected four years later, and the non-president president refuses to leave, the newly elected president will not be allowed to preside at the office of the president since it will still be occupied by the non-president president, and - no two presidents can occupy the office of presidency at the same time, as this would create an incongruency. The sun could begin rising in the west.

I am not a lawyer or physicist, but I have on occasion consulted one or the other.
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Old 01-14-2011, 10:43 PM
 
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And yet... they are completely eligible for the Presidency.
Only upon the timely enactment of a say-so statute by Congress.

And, any such say-so statute could only be enacted following an amendment to the Constitution, which would thus then benefact subserviency of said statute thereof.

It is all very clear.
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Old 01-14-2011, 10:50 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Natural born US citizens can be dual citizens at the same time.
Born dual citizens are not Constitutionally eligible. Foreigners are excluded from natural born citizen status. See the First Federal Congress definition of "foreigners" in the UC Berkeley Journal article.
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Old 01-14-2011, 10:56 PM
 
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And yet... they are completely eligible for the Presidency.
Only in the virtuality of escaped dreams.

If the Mad Hatter had also been a hookah smoker, Alice would NEVER have escaped Wonderland.

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Old 01-14-2011, 11:05 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Born dual citizens are not Constitutionally eligible. Foreigners are excluded from natural born citizen status. See the First Federal Congress definition of "foreigners" in the UC Berkeley Journal article.
By the definition of alien/foreigner formally recognized by American law, specifically by the Immigration and Nationality Act, a dual citizen is not a foreigner. An alien/foreigner is someone who is not a US citizen. Since dual citizens do not meet that definition, they are not aliens/foreigners.

Tens of millions of natural born US citizens were dual citizens at birth. All of them that have reached the age of 35 and lived 14 years here are eligible for the Presidency.
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Old 01-14-2011, 11:08 PM
 
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Tens of millions of natural born US citizens were dual citizens at birth.
This is an affront to the Constitution and an attack on the English language.

No Natural Born Citizen EVER had dual citizenship at birth.


"No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen Years a resident within the United States."

Constitutional Amendment with this extracted: "at the time of the adoption of this Constitution,"

This amendment would allow anchor babies to be qualified for the presidency.

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