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The gay marriage advocates are trying to use equal protection to say that they should be allowed to marry people of the same sex. Equal protection guarantees equal rights to a protected class. So what makes a protected class? It is something that individual cannot change about themselves (i.e. race, age, disability, gender). Religion is protected specifically in other areas of the Constitution.
Being gay is thought as a choice by many people and not a biological feature. There are some that say people are born gay but that's just a theory; it has not been proven.
So, quite simply, gays are not guaranteed protection under equal protection because they are not a protected class. This isn't really an argument about marriage; it's about making gays a protected class. They just do not meet the criteria. By the way, that's why people get upset when you compare gays to the civil rights movement and equal protection for minorities (e.g. race; which is clearly something someone does not have a choice about).
This is a terrible case of failed logic. The biggest racket out there is people claiming that can "convert" homosexuals and lesbians to heterosexual behavior. California's proposition against some sex marriage was struck down in federal court precisely because the judge used the Equal Protection Clause.
This is a terrible case of failed logic. The biggest racket out there is people claiming that can "convert" homosexuals and lesbians to heterosexual behavior. California's proposition against some sex marriage was struck down in federal court precisely because the judge used the Equal Protection Clause.
Yes, a gay judge proved that he can thwart the will of millions of people. 70% of California (and we're as Liberal a state as they come) voted against it. What would have happened if a straight judge had upheld it? Oh, that's right... it was steered to a SF pro-gay/gay judge on purpose, otherwise you'd still be marching up and down Santa Monica Blvd.
And that logic is quite the opposite of failed. Please stop trying to pass your "failed biblical logic" when you've made it quite clear that you are not religious and that religion is for idiots.
All but a few VERY secular religions claim homosexuality as a sin, and this is something that you simply can't tolerate. Being gay is the focal point of your life, so rather than consider that your perpensity towards it might actually be a sin, it's religion that you make the sin. Twisted logic from a twisted mindset.
The majority of the religious right defends their right to keep prayer in schools and businesses. Because the seperation of chruch and state only goes so far, and they have the freedom to practice their beliefs publically, as long as those beliefs are not imposed by law on the public.
Great! Cool! I have no problem with a prayer group taking place in my workplace as long as it is optional and as long as the other religions can also gather at work to pray if they choose. That's one of many freedoms I love about this country.
So, given the importance and value of one's freedom to practice meaningful lifestyles, why does the majority of the religous right condem and deny the rights of individuals who choose to love someone of the same sex?
Without quoting scripture (because for many of us, we do not subscribe to the same Biblical philosophy) can someone give a valid and reasonable argument that same sex marriage should not be tolerated while freedom of speech and freedom of religion are?
I welcome a debate based on reason and logic, perhaps even science. Not hate, fear based scripture quoting.
Consevative and right wing christians are bigoted ignorant and hypocritical.
The Religious right will have our cake and eat it too!!! You nasty Liberals have but a month left in office when America - All 80% of us Christians - will throw you people out of office and get this country back to the fundamental, moral, and RIGHTEOUS principles it was founded on. Enjoy your 15-minutes Liberals. Your days are numbered!! HAHA!!
Question: Where is the right to same sex marriage in the Constitution?
Answer: Where is the right to interracial marriage?
I think an article and section was what we were looking for, but he chose to bust out the shiny penny instead.
"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people."
I don't see any Constitutional provision allowing the federal government to regulate marriage.
But you do see a constitutional provision created to prevent people being treated as separate class and having laws created to treat them as such. That provision is the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment.
That is exactly why the California proposition against same-sex marriage was struck down by a federal court ruling.
No one is born a homosexual. It is an act of will. It is culturally transmitted not inherited.
There has been no "gay gene" isolated on human DNA. And it is not for lack of trying.
The truth of the matter this particular issue as to whether there are genetic based reasons or causes to homosexual behavior is still under debate in the scientific community. A small percentage of various animals across nature display what humans would describe as homosexual behavior. Did this animals somehow make a choice?
The fact of the matter is whether it's a choice or not is a matter of personal freedom. The Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment clear states that:
Quote:
The Due Process Clause provides that no “State [shall]
deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due
process of law.”
During the federal court trial to strike down Califirnia's Propositon 8. The plaintiffs of the case successfully showed that Proposition 8 violated the Due Process Clause for the following reasons:
Quote:
1. It prevents each plaintiff from marrying the person of
his or her choice;
2. The choice of a marriage partner is sheltered by the
Fourteenth Amendment from the state’s unwarranted
usurpation of that choice; and
3. California’s provision of a domestic partnership —— a
status giving same-sex couples the rights and
responsibilities of marriage without providing marriage
—— does not afford plaintiffs an adequate substitute for
marriage and, by disabling plaintiffs from marrying the
person of their choice, invidiously discriminates,
without justification, against plaintiffs and others who
seek to marry a person of the same sex.
The Religious right will have our cake and eat it too!!! You nasty Liberals have but a month left in office when America - All 80% of us Christians - will throw you people out of office and get this country back to the fundamental, moral, and RIGHTEOUS principles it was founded on. Enjoy your 15-minutes Liberals. Your days are numbered!! HAHA!!
The percentage of Christians in the US is down to about 76% Mostly Protestant, followed by Catholic.
If your voting for someone based upon fundamental, moral, and righteous principles, I doubt you will find it with many of the candidates running this mid term election
And not all Christians will vote a Republican ticket.
If you are confusing your church values, with that of politics ..... you need to go to church more
An opinion is one thing. Forcing your opinion on others, is an entirely different matter.
Hmm...this isn't the best argument because at the end, one group is going to have their opinion forced on the other.
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Mostly Protestant, followed by Catholic.
