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Old 10-02-2010, 06:50 PM
 
Location: Louisville KY Metro area
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I am a charter member of the TEA party. I believe America must return to a republic "of the people, by the people and for the people." Yet, I am seeing people claiming to be TEA party members doing silly stuff. Therefore, I dare TEA party members to stay committed to our original foundations.

I am personally in favor of anything that returns our nation to its constitutional roots. I believe in Jesus Christ as Lord, but don't demand that others do. Yet, nearly all of our founding leaders did, but they did with great confidence that we would see our nation as a Godly nation without a primary religion such as the Church of England, the Roman Catholic Church, Judism, or any other God fearing denomination or religion.

As a TEA party supporter, I do oppose one of its planks. I oppose any legislation to place "Term Limits" on Congress. I even wonder about whether placing term limits on the Presidency was a wise move. Most people are realizing that FDR was a horrible president during his first two terms; however, his greatness was made manifest during his third term, the war term. And since FDR, what US President has been better in his second term than he was during his first?

I agree that not having term limits leaves us vulnerable to the unreasonable legislative crap that comes from perennial residents such as Frank, Dodd, Pelosi, Byrd, Reid, or even McConnell. But the freedom to vote for whom I choose is far more important to me.

I don't think we need to ask Jimmy Carter, George H. W. Bush, Grover Cleveland, Elizabeth Dole, Arlen Specter, Lisa Murkowski, or 100's of others who have been sent packing from DC over the years about the power of the vote, do you?

So, my dare is this, "I dare you, if you are a TEA party supporter, to have the intent to obey all laws to the best of your ability. To join with me and others to use the grassroots power of the TEA party movement to repeal foolish and self-serving laws constitutionally, and to recognize our Freedoms are limited when we can't vote for whomever we choose.
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Old 10-02-2010, 07:06 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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You are a perfect example of why the Tea Party is beginning to lose my support.... more religious neo-con c**p. When many of us say we want LESS government, we really mean less in EVERY facet of our lives not just single issues that we pick and choose based on religion. By the way, many of our Founding Fathers were Deists with quite different beliefs than yours.

Do you support withdrawing our troops from foreign nations? Or abolishing "don't ask don't tell"? Or getting rid of the Federal Reserve, the IRS, the Dept. of Education? Repealing the Patriot Act? Legalizing drugs? If not, your just another neo-con.
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Old 10-02-2010, 07:38 PM
 
Location: Louisville KY Metro area
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You are a perfect example of why the Tea Party is beginning to lose my support.... more religious neo-con c**p. When many of us say we want LESS government, we really mean less in EVERY facet of our lives not just single issues that we pick and choose based on religion. By the way, many of our Founding Fathers were Deists with quite different beliefs than yours.

Do you support withdrawing our troops from foreign nations? Or abolishing "don't ask don't tell"? Or getting rid of the Federal Reserve, the IRS, the Dept. of Education? Repealing the Patriot Act? Legalizing drugs? If not, your just another neo-con.
The Founding Fathers were not just the few at Philadelphia. My neo-con crap gives all of us freedom, that the nations without our neo-con crap never dreamed of. I don't know which history books you have been reading, maybe those edited by Bill Ayers, but the facts don't seem to follow your lead.

I support keeping our troops anywhere that means that our people don't die enmass as they did in NY, Washington, or PA on 9/11/2001. I support repealing any law that centralizes power over people in DC or any place. I am opposed to the IRS. I don't know whether killing the FED makes us a better nation or a worse nation. Which drugs do you want legalized? Those that are great cures (proven in other nations) but that never make it to the market due to political pressure, or are you speaking about those that create societal ills that cause people to become shallow, dependent, or criminal because of the dependencies created when they can't get enough? The Patriot Act? Well, I don't like what caused it, nor do I like what it is. Tuff choice.

So, maybe I am a neo-con... maybe I am not, I am certain you can label me, but I think maybe some common sense just might be in order rather than the bs that is coming from nearly every quarter of the nation.
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Old 10-02-2010, 07:41 PM
 
Location: Beautiful Niagara Falls ON.
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The entire tea party reminds me very much of the "Know nothings" of another era. They had no policy no ideas and no platform. What they had was a clique that was at the top of the heap and would stop at nothing to preserve that lofty position. What they did know that there was plenty of loot available for those who were in power and that's want they desires above all else, the loot.
This entire situation within the USA really bothers me a great deal. The over riding problems of the country are neither right or left are not conservative or liberal in their character. Number one I believe the entire political process in the USA id deeply corrupted to the point that I would barely call the country a democracy. All the politicans are in thrall to their masters, the special interests who put up the money that enables them to then fool the electorate about what they really stand for. In my opinion the so called leaders in the country are nothing more than political whores for sale to the highest bidder. As we saw in the recent supreme court decision regarding political fianancing this sad state of affairs is not going to change soon. Americans don't understand or realize that this robs them of real freedom. In Canada corporations and special intrests are allowed exactly $0 contributions to the process and because of that our process does not resemble the circus and zoo atmosphere of that in the USA.

Next I would point out that the culture of the country is generally immoral and getting worse all the time. Governments of all stripes see nothing wrong with promoting gambling as a primary source of revenue dispite the horrendous social costs. The streets and highways of the nation are lined with porn shops and massage parlours and every other kind of decatent immoral activity that can be imagined. Almost the entire society is lead to believe that the accquision of money. wealth and possesions is the primary purpose in life. Violence and perversion is the subject of most of the entertainment on TV. I could go on and on in this vein but I'm sure you get the picture.

Now of course this state of affairs has a lot of bad effects for the entire country but no one wants to take responsibility for it. From both sides we here it's the libs fault it's the cons fault. This is all crap. The problems that are draffing the country down the most have nothing to do with the government at all.
An example that I like to use is the complaints about the education system in the country. There is very little wrong with the system as it pertains to learning the basics but there is something very wrong with the parents who refuse to take responsibility for their childrens learning. My own children went to a very rural bawsic school and yet I have a DR. a nurse a lawyer and an operating engineer from 4 kids. People need to start to examine their own lives and what they can do themselves to make the country a better place.

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Old 10-02-2010, 07:45 PM
 
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I'm sort of in line with whoisjongalt. I was interested in the Tea Party, and attended a meeting. But, reading the online rants of some of the people running under the Tea Party banner, and the fact that there is such inconsistency among the various local parties throughout the country, makes me desire some party with a more structured organization and more middle of the road policy beliefs.

They are truly having an effect on the elections, and this shows the potential of the Tea Party. But, they've got to get rid of some of the nutty leaders and spokespeople....And organize (this independence from each other faction can work against it).
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Old 10-02-2010, 07:47 PM
 
Location: Sierra Vista, AZ
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Much of the Tea Party is run by Washington Lobbyists like Dick Armey, who are paid millions to bring in bus loads of Zombies
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Old 10-02-2010, 07:51 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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The Founding Fathers were not just the few at Philadelphia. My neo-con crap gives all of us freedom, that the nations without our neo-con crap never dreamed of. I don't know which history books you have been reading, maybe those edited by Bill Ayers, but the facts don't seem to follow your lead.

I support keeping our troops anywhere that means that our people don't die enmass as they did in NY, Washington, or PA on 9/11/2001. I support repealing any law that centralizes power over people in DC or any place. I am opposed to the IRS. I don't know whether killing the FED makes us a better nation or a worse nation. Which drugs do you want legalized? Those that are great cures (proven in other nations) but that never make it to the market due to political pressure, or are you speaking about those that create societal ills that cause people to become shallow, dependent, or criminal because of the dependencies created when they can't get enough? The Patriot Act? Well, I don't like what caused it, nor do I like what it is. Tuff choice.

So, maybe I am a neo-con... maybe I am not, I am certain you can label me, but I think maybe some common sense just might be in order rather than the bs that is coming from nearly every quarter of the nation.
We actually may agree on more things than we disagree. I am NOT talking about classic conservatives / libertarians. I'm talking about the neo-conservative nuts who almost destroyed the Republican party and did more to get Obama elected than anybody else. Going on a massive spending spree, starting 2 endless wars, maintaining troops in HUNDREDS of countries and voting for huge bailouts are hardly conservative.
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Old 10-02-2010, 07:57 PM
 
Location: mancos
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Be free or dont, I prefer freedom.Dont need the gov to buy my toilet paper with your tax money
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Old 10-02-2010, 09:08 PM
 
Location: California
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I am personally in favor of anything that returns our nation to its constitutional roots.
Like what? And would it make day to day life different than it is now? I'm not saying I totally disagree with you but I'm not sure if the changes I would like to see would be considered "a return to our constitutional roots" or just "a different interpretation of the constitution"....which is really all we can ever have.
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Old 10-02-2010, 09:13 PM
 
Location: Texas
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You are a perfect example of why the Tea Party is beginning to lose my support.... more religious neo-con c**p. When many of us say we want LESS government, we really mean less in EVERY facet of our lives not just single issues that we pick and choose based on religion. By the way, many of our Founding Fathers were Deists with quite different beliefs than yours.

Do you support withdrawing our troops from foreign nations? Or abolishing "don't ask don't tell"? Or getting rid of the Federal Reserve, the IRS, the Dept. of Education? Repealing the Patriot Act? Legalizing drugs? If not, your just another neo-con.
Abolish all of those. The sooner the better. Although I believe a very small segment of the IRS would remain. No biggie as long as the immoral income tax is gone.

Go small or go home.
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