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Counseling gays is required by the program. It's not optional. Using your argument, a medical student should be able to say, "I have a Constitutional right to not take classes in biology", and still earn a degree. It doesn't work that way. She chose to sign up for the program, and now, if she wants to complete it, she's going to have to fulfill the requirements. If she's unable to do that, she's free to attend another school or quit the program.
So, if the school had a program called Christianity is the right choice. you and the rest of those on here wouldn't be hollering aboust seperation of church and state.
As long as the program outlined the requirements when she signed up for it, she has no excuse. She knew what she was getting into. If she didn't plan to complete the requirements of the program, she shouldn't have signed up for it.
you dont know what the teachers curriculum is going to include so there is no way she couldve known that was what he was going require. i have been in a university and when i was getting my undergrad i knew what courses i had to take but they do not tell you what you will be covering until you get into the class.
This woman's civil rights were violated clear and simple. Her right to free expression and freedom of religious beliefs were violated by the university. Her beliefs don't infringe on anyone else in any way. If she receieves her degree and becomes a counciler noone is going to force homsexuals to go to her so their rights are not violated. Its not like she'll be the only counciler around.
If things were the other way around and it was a homosexual in a seminary school you can be sure the ACLU would be supporting the student's rights. Leftists always want to push their views on others and individual rights be damned.
The KKK is not welcomed here and will only make the student look like an extremist instead of the typical middle of the road American that she probably is. Instead the ACLJ (American Center for Law and Justice) should take up her case. They usually kick the ACLU's butt in court when they meet.
If she is a middle of the road American,she is an embarassment to this country. She didn't complete the required credits, therefore she fails. If this were Liberty University or BYU, where hatred is a prerequisite, we wouldn't be having this conversation. Her beliefs would infringe on a gay client. This would deem her incompetent, which is why this university is withholding her degree. Your view of leftists is flawed in that it's the Right trying to force their views on Society. This is evidenced every time Americans go to the voting booth to vote on gay civil rights. I wonder how many other hate groups are suppporting her? ACLU getting their butt kicked? Evidence?
So, if the school had a program called Christianity is the right choice. you and the rest of those on here wouldn't be hollering aboust seperation of church and state.
Maybe the program istself should be re-vamped.
That doesn't make sense. Again, if you sign up for the program, you have to complete the courses required. It's not a constitutional issue because her freedom of speech is not being violated. She can say and believe whatever she wants, but she still has to meet the requirements of the program in order to graduate.
I love all the "well, if this happens, you'd think this" responses. Why do some posters do that? These threads would be easier to read if people actually argued the point at hand and didn't spin it in a thousand different speculative directions simply because they don't have a rational, valid argument for the issue itself. Sheesh.
FWIW - and I'm sure I lost a lot of people after that first paragraph - She has the right to huff-and-puff. We all can disagree with policies and even laws in this country. The university has the right to withhold her degree. The courts will have to ultimately decide this if it goes that far.
It's the most popular conservative game in town to call anybody who doesn't think like you, act like you, look like your or worship like you a leftist, communist or socialist. It's straight of out of the 1950's. In fact I'm probably just as much a capitalist as you are if not more. I work for myself and I'm very active in the financial markets and I’ve volunteered and served in the United States Army. Nothing in my post's supported any advocacy of communism or socialism.
On the other hand you did nothing to refute any of the assertions that I made.
That was not my point, it was a regurgitation of your own form of accusation and summary. That is, in the same way you claimed such, I did the same to show how silly your accusation sounded. What is rather amusing is that this point went right over your head. As for refuting your point, you made rather broad generalizations, there is no need to refute such as your statement alone was a logical fallacy.
I will quote your statement again to show how ridiculous it is:
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It's long been my contention that groups like the Klu Klux Klan are tolerated within the American Conservative Movement because at their core many Conservatives believe that America is a White Christian nation. If you don't think like them, act like them, look like them, and worship like them you are perceived to "Less American" than therefore are an not deserving of full and equal treatment and protection under the law.
You make rather strong unfounded accusations that provide no support and are basically wild generalizations to which serve no other means than to discredit.
If I claim to be a liberal, am I? Or should I actually agree with some of the thins liberals agree with? How about a mormon? A muslim? roman catholic?
Heck, for that matter could I just start calling myself a student at the University of Georgia? Or does it take more than that?
I'm a member of a mainline protestant christian denomination, and consider myself an active and devout Christian--I also follow the tenets of my faith. I've read quite a few of your posts here, and I think we'd be hard pressed to find much in common in our beliefs, except for the fact that Jesus died on the cross. We have a choice--get into a fight over which one of us is "a true Christian" or just accept that we each have a right to believe what we believe, as long as it's not harming anyone else.
I'm not saying anything new or controversial--there's a huge split between many factions of Christianity on how they view scripture, etc. (literal interpretation vs. context with emphasis on the new testament). The Christian Identity Movement is nothing new--they have a radical and racist view of Christianity that justifies their acts of terrorism. The KKK is one group, but there are many more. In fact, the last issue of Time Magazine had a cover story on the rise of Christian Militia groups over the last year or so. The easiest comparison is the difference between Muslim fundamentalists and mainline Muslims--it's an equally diverse group.
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