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Old 10-09-2010, 08:49 AM
 
Location: In the desert
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I truly hope people are realizing what a big mistake it was putting this man with no experience and no ethics into office. I can only hope things turn around in November and we are able to get a congress that can stop him before he ruins this country.
I honestly wish to know who YOU think the last president was that we had in office with ethics?
Do you really believe it has just started with Obama?
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Old 10-09-2010, 09:07 AM
 
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Not a fair question at all, Bush had two terms, Obama has only been in office two years......
Is that California math?
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Old 10-09-2010, 09:15 AM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Like most Republicans (and their tea-soaked friends) over the past 20 months?

No, like obama, blaming others for his FAILED policies that have put this nation even more in debt. He has spent more than ALL other presidents combined. That is just a FACT you can't escape.
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Old 10-09-2010, 09:18 AM
 
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Greetings,
NO I dont think Bush was better then Obama. I dont think there ever will be a president that somebody didn't find something to compain about.

Just like the Kings in the Bible no different.
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Old 10-09-2010, 10:04 AM
 
Location: Michigan
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No, like obama, blaming others for his FAILED policies that have put this nation even more in debt. He has spent more than ALL other presidents combined. That is just a FACT you can't escape.
The Republicans broke the country, and now they are doing everything possible to stop any attempt to fix it. When they get back in power, they will continue to do the same things they did before. I hope the democrats return the favor with the next republican president, and sit on their hands, instead of offering a helping hand.


What has he spent, all by himself?
(and when has spending been a issue to Republicans? Oh yeah, the last 18 months)

All I see is the failure of the Republicans & Democrats to do their job. And that's not just today. Has been since the late 60's when politics became big business, and everything you do is about funding the party and getting re-elected.
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Old 10-09-2010, 10:11 AM
 
Location: Oxygen Ln. AZ
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The Republicans broke the country, and now they are doing everything possible to stop any attempt to fix it. When they get back in power, they will continue to do the same things they did before. I hope the democrats return the favor with the next republican president, and sit on their hands, instead of offering a helping hand.


What has he spent, all by himself?
(and when has spending been a issue to Republicans? Oh yeah, the last 18 months)

All I see is the failure of the Republicans & Democrats to do their job. And that's not just today. Has been since the late 60's when politics became big business, and everything you do is about funding the party and getting re-elected.
Oh you know we can count on the dems sitting on their hands if out of power. That was their MO whenever the shift happens. But I do recall the "Bush" wars being voted on by both parties even your beloved Obama voted for all the Bush budgets so dont give me it is all Bush's fault. Giving loans to people who had no means of paying them back thank you Freddie and Fannie caused the slide and do you realize these insane loans are still being made? Cant wait for the next housing crisis can you? Yes spending is a problem and both repugs and dems were and are guilty. But that being said, why should Obama get a pass go for the continuation of the fleecing of tax payers?
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Old 10-09-2010, 10:57 AM
 
Location: Michigan
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Oh you know we can count on the dems sitting on their hands if out of power. That was their MO whenever the shift happens. But I do recall the "Bush" wars being voted on by both parties even your beloved Obama voted for all the Bush budgets so dont give me it is all Bush's fault.
Then, What the President wanted, and each representative voted his or her way. Some went with, some didn't.
Now, one party just avoids the vote. (It only takes 41 to table any issue)

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Giving loans to people who had no means of paying them back thank you Freddie and Fannie caused the slide and do you realize these insane loans are still being made? Cant wait for the next housing crisis can you? Yes spending is a problem and both repugs and dems were and are guilty. But that being said, why should Obama get a pass go for the continuation of the fleecing of tax payers?
The Freddie and Fannie were (and are) a small percentage of the problem, but they still are private financial companies, traded on the open market. They are no different then GE Capital Services, Chase Manhattan Corporation, and Wells Fargo Financial Services. They all played the same game. They gambled on the future. They all spent millions influencing Congress. But with Freddie, no person when knocking on their door for a loan. (They are not a bank, CU or S&L)

Of course the loans are still being made. Today's stock market is based on the appearance of growth, not the creation of product. For financial groups to grow, they need to show lots of transactions and lots of fees. Movement.

At least in this neck of the woods, it's those who could of afforded a $150,000 home, but bought a $500,000 are the ones defaulting, not those who could only afford a $25,000 home but bought a $40,000.
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Old 10-09-2010, 12:14 PM
 
Location: .....
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The realization is hitting people just what a mistake they made electing this know-nothing, inexperienced, partisan, radical leftist ideologue.

CNN Poll: Was Bush better president than Obama? – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs



The strategy of blaming Bush for obama's failures did not work, in fact, it might have backfired.

People don't like whining crybabies.
Obama is not blaming Bush for anything, he is holding him responsible for his actions.

1) The wars could go on for several decades and when historians look back, it would still be Bush who lied to the world about Iraq having WMD's and who has the blood of thousands of soldiers, and tens of thousands of civilians on his hands.

2) Obama inherited an economic fiasco. The economy had shed over half of the total jobs lost by March of 2009 before any of his economic policies could have been enacted. That is a fact and there is no disputing that.

3) The opposition have not tried helping Obama in any way, even though his views were supported by the majority of the country (hence, what the election was for). Instead they have chose to attack him for his ethnicity, his father's country of origin, and his middle name. Guess I'm just imagining things and playing the race card though...

If an arsonist starts your house on fire, and the city sends a fireman over to extinguish it. Who should be held accountable for the damages?
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Old 10-09-2010, 12:24 PM
 
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Bush tried to push it though congress but they rejected it. After that they made up the WMD's lie and the threats of national security which then the democrats voted in favor, that most all today deeply regret.
It's really a shame we have to use history and the speakers own words over and over and over to show some people the truth. But, it doesn't matter. Thier hate overrides any facts.


"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
- President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
- President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

"We must stop Saddam from ever again jeopardizing the stability and security of his neighbors with weapons of mass destruction."
- Madeline Albright, Feb 1, 1998

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
- Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
Letter to President Clinton.
- (D) Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, others, Oct. 9, 1998

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
- Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and th! e means of delivering them."
- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003


Most of these quotes were made BEFORE Bush ever came into the national political picture. So how did he force them to vote in favor?

They regret their vote today because they have no principles. They took a position, then when things weren't going good the "changed" their positions. You don't don't think politics had anything to do with it, do you?
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Old 10-09-2010, 12:32 PM
 
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Every politician campaigns against pork. It's a part of the system, unfortunately. There's no simple way to eliminate it, especially when members of Congress from both sides of the aisle insert it into legislation at every conceivable chance and the President doesn't have the power of the line-item veto. Elimination of "pork" is impossible under the current system.
Every sitting US Senator is aware of what you post. So either Senator Obama was being very naive or flat out lying. Which is it?
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