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Old 10-11-2010, 05:26 PM
 
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Lets see......Lately.......Mmmmm. How about the sniper from Lebanon who shot the Israeli officer 300ft inside the border of Israel. But yet they didn't shoot the three Israeli soldiers that were cutting a tree near the border. Do you think they were getting ready to kidnap three soldiers??

Kidnapping soldiers from across the border? That sounds familiar......Thats right thats what started the last Lebanon/Israel war.
Yes it does sound familiar. Brings to mind the Israeli Soldiers that killed peaceful, unarmed civilians in international waters for carrying food and medical supplies.

19 Year-Old Turkish-American Killed by IDF in Gaza Flotilla Attack « Tikun Olam-

 
Old 10-11-2010, 05:32 PM
 
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Of course, Stalin's national policy! What a silly and blind oversight on my part.

Israeli's no doubt would not need or want pity, they do not have a victim mentality. They do, however, have a right to exist.... there are millions, perhaps billions, on the planet who voice strong exception to this basic right for them. It is evidenced repeatedly by that insane Iranian ape, allowed without objection to upchuck freely his "thoughts" recently at the UN. The ever-present destructive desire to have Jews and their allies eradicated is not going away into the good night any time soon. Reality is harsh, and the Jews above any other people, know this all too well. They are survivors and exceedingly resourceful. The fact that the barbarians who have managed to usurp the UN want them annihilated, keeps them in a perpetual death grip by the rest of a world gone mad with ill will and abject hatred toward them. Their reputation as warriors will hold them in good stead when the eventuality of circumstances comes so that they can no longer hold off another holocaust.
The Palestinian people also have a right to exist and without being held captive in an open air jail without resources. That alone is my problem with Israel. They are taking out their undying anger on innocent families and children. IMO, Israel is committing crimes against humanity!

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Old 10-11-2010, 05:36 PM
 
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And Christians and Animists have been in Africa (including Egypt) for hundreds of years before Islam invaded. I don't see the Muslims giving those countries back. The same goes for all of the Muslim lands outside of Arabia. It seems OK when Islam spreads through aggressive war but when they lose a war and lose a little of their conquered lands they cry foul.



So ethnic cleansing is the answer? I don't think so. Give them Israel and next they will want Sapin. This is in keeping with hte Islamic notion that any land once part of Dar-Al-Islam is forever part of Dar-Al-Islam. That is how they can justify their wars against Israel as "defensive".
I would like to think that we have evolved and are more civilized since a thousand years back. However, Israel apparently wants to maintain its savage (Hebrew) heritage.
 
Old 10-11-2010, 06:35 PM
 
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The sanctioning of the creation of the nation of Israel was done under the auspices of the United Nations. I totally agree with you that British made conflicting promises to both the Arabs and Jews in regards to the British Mandate. But the British handed over control and administration of Palestine to the United Nations in terms of Arab and Jewish partitioning of Palestine, see U.N. resolution 181. Why should the Palestinians accept a U.N. resolution where their wishes were not taken into consideration and no other Arab nations agreed to?

Also a civil war broke out in Palestine in 1947-1948 BEFORE the Arab-Israeli War of 1948. The civil war is where the Arabs were displaced from their lands.

The situation under which Israel was created was a mess and it remains a mess today. Unless both sides come to the table with an attitude of compromise it can only end in one of two ways. The Arabs destroy Israel or the Israelis completely neutralizes every military threat from Arab states in the region. What we have now is an continuum between these two extremes which is one of constant violence
On November 28, 1947, the UN decided to establish 2 states in the area of the British Mandate of Palestine - one Jewish & one Arab. The Arab nations did not agree to this and they wanted all or nothing without any consideration for the Jewish population. So immediately the Palestinian Arabs started attacking the Jewish population. The British at this point didn't do much to stop the Palestinian Arabs. But the British continued until they left the area to stop the Jewish population from protecting themselves from these attacks by not letting them arm themselves.
The British left the area on May 15, 1948 and immediately the surrounding Arab nations' armies attacked the newly formed State of Israel. The Arab Governments suggested to the Palestinian Arabs to leave their homes so as not to be in the way of the fighting and telling them that they would return as victors to the area. Of course, this did not happen as Israel was not destroyed.
 
Old 10-11-2010, 07:00 PM
 
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I would like to think that we have evolved and are more civilized since a thousand years back. However, Israel apparently wants to maintain its savage (Hebrew) heritage.

So you're saying that Hebrew heritage is savage?


Compared to what?
 
Old 10-11-2010, 07:03 PM
 
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On November 28, 1947, the UN decided to establish 2 states in the area of the British Mandate of Palestine
Under what right or law did the UN have to grant anyone land? Does the UN have the right to create states and if so, does it also have the right to dissolve states?
 
Old 10-11-2010, 07:13 PM
 
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On November 28, 1947, the UN decided to establish 2 states in the area of the British Mandate of Palestine - one Jewish & one Arab. The Arab nations did not agree to this and they wanted all or nothing without any consideration for the Jewish population. So immediately the Palestinian Arabs started attacking the Jewish population. The British at this point didn't do much to stop the Palestinian Arabs. But the British continued until they left the area to stop the Jewish population from protecting themselves from these attacks by not letting them arm themselves.
The British left the area on May 15, 1948 and immediately the surrounding Arab nations' armies attacked the newly formed State of Israel. The Arab Governments suggested to the Palestinian Arabs to leave their homes so as not to be in the way of the fighting and telling them that they would return as victors to the area. Of course, this did not happen as Israel was not destroyed.
Yes.
To add a little more:
Immediately after Israel's declaration of independence on May 14, 1948, Arab armies occupied and gobbled up the area of what was supposed to be the Palestinian Arab state. (And there was never any talk of the "Palestininian people" or a Palestininian state during the following decades of Arab occupation). The Arab armies then invaded the infant state of Israel:
Syrian and Lebanese troops moved into the north of Israel,while Iraqi units and Transjordan's Arab Legion focused their attack on Jerusalem. Other Arab units were deployed to Jewish settlements in the Jordan Valley and later in the Galilee. Jerusalem was a highly contested territory,and the battles for it were costly for the Haganah, the new Israeli army. By the second United Nations truce on July 18, much of the Negev was still controlled by the Egyptian army.
The battles continued to rage until the United Nations Security Council called for a permanent armistice on December 29, 1948. The Arab states still refused to negotiate directly with Israel.

This was their first attempt to destroy Israel. In the ensuing decades there were further attempts. The forces of would-be destruction continue to exist. And that always has been and continues to be the core cause of the conflict.
 
Old 10-11-2010, 07:21 PM
 
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The Palestinians were left to rot in refugee camps for 50 years by their Arab "brothers", as pawns in a larger game of anti-Israeli propaganda.
Arab solidarity has NEVER existed, except when Israel is concerned?
Despite billions and billions of dollars of Arab oil income, only a tiny fraction ever went to the Palestinians.
Of the money that made it to Arab Palestine, much of it was stolen by the PLO, to fill European bank accounts and Paris/London shopping sprees.
While facing their sworn enemy.....Israel.....the Palestinian people were often stabbed in the back, by the very same cast of characters, who would tearfully plead for them, in the halls of the United Nations.

Steve
 
Old 10-11-2010, 07:26 PM
 
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Yes.
To add a little more:
Immediately after Israel's declaration of independence on May 14, 1948, Arab armies occupied and gobbled up the area of what was supposed to be the Palestinian Arab state. (And there was never any talk of the "Palestininian people" or a Palestininian state during the following decades of Arab occupation). The Arab armies then invaded the infant state of Israel:
Syrian and Lebanese troops moved into the north of Israel,while Iraqi units and Transjordan's Arab Legion focused their attack on Jerusalem. Other Arab units were deployed to Jewish settlements in the Jordan Valley and later in the Galilee. Jerusalem was a highly contested territory,and the battles for it were costly for the Haganah, the new Israeli army. By the second United Nations truce on July 18, much of the Negev was still controlled by the Egyptian army.
The battles continued to rage until the United Nations Security Council called for a permanent armistice on December 29, 1948. The Arab states still refused to negotiate directly with Israel.

This was their first attempt to destroy Israel. In the ensuing decades there were further attempts. The forces of would-be destruction continue to exist. And that always has been and continues to be the core cause of the conflict.
Because Israel passing laws like this and establishing settlements in Palestine totally isn't going to offend anybody at all.
 
Old 10-11-2010, 08:27 PM
 
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So you're saying that Hebrew heritage is savage?


Compared to what?
Look in the books of Joshua and Judges for starters.
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