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You keep trying to twist everything I say. I am not deflecting anything here.
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... Did you only arrest gays?
No.
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... Was it a gay witch hunt you were on?
No.
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... Or did you arrest officers, kids who had oral sex and talked about it?
Yes.
We apprehended any servicemember who violated the UCMJ.
In the context of Art.125 generally they were caught in the act.
However sometimes someone will want to brag, his NCO will tell him to shut up. But if they insist on bragging, then they will be prosecuted.
If I am walking down a passageway, round a turn and find a couple engaging in any form of sex, they get apprehended and prosecuted.
But if they are not caught in the act, then the prosecution is almost exclusively
because the servicemember 'fights' to brag and broadcast his actions of violating the UCMJ.
There are many instances where servicemembers violate the UCMJ, in private, or off-base, where they will not be caught. And nobody is going to walk in on them. Nobody cares.
On a ship, in uniform, on duty performing sex AND getting caught in the act; will get you prosecuted.
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... Well, did you only arrest gays?
Homosexuals are an extreme minority of people apprehended for violating Art.125.
I honestly do not see how it is a witch hunt when it accounts for such a minority of cases.
Perhaps you will again say I am deflecting here. But really if 10% of the busts deal with a special group how is that a witch hunt?
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... If he applied it to gays only, it is illegal and harassment.
It is abuse of power.
You keep trying to twist everything I say. I am not deflecting anything here.
No.
No.
Yes.
We apprehended any servicemember who violated the UCMJ.
In the context of Art.125 generally they were caught in the act.
However sometimes someone will want to brag, his NCO will tell him to shut up. But if they insist on bragging, then they will be prosecuted.
If I am walking down a passageway, round a turn and find a couple engaging in any form of sex, they get apprehended and prosecuted.
But if they are not caught in the act, then the prosecution is almost exclusively
because the servicemember 'fights' to brag and broadcast his actions of violating the UCMJ.
There are many instances where servicemembers violate the UCMJ, in private, or off-base, where they will not be caught. And nobody is going to walk in on them. Nobody cares.
On a ship, in uniform, on duty performing sex AND getting caught in the act; will get you prosecuted.
Homosexuals are an extreme minority of people apprehended for violating Art.125.
I honestly do not see how it is a witch hunt when it accounts for such a minority of cases.
Perhaps you will again say I am deflecting here. But really if 10% of the busts deal with a special group how is that a witch hunt?
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Have you read anything I have written?
I have read, and I appreciate the fact that you were doing a job, and that you performed that job without prejudice. I thank you for your service.
May I ask, though, if you had any knowledge of the disposition of these cases, and if they were handled post-arrest without prejudice as well?
This argument, that outsiders don't understand the military culture, is very similar to the arguments made by big banks and finance companies when the issue was the stellar compensation and bonuses being paid out. Such perks were part of their corporate culture. Outsiders didn't understand.
That's because the military way of thinking is foreign to most people. Banks and finance companies, are completely irrelevant.
If you are not military, you cannot understand the military mindset. It's a martial way of life, where violence is not only acceptable, you are trained in levels of violence that is completely alien to the average person. I had a friend of mine who was a Seal, who used to brag about the various and many ways they knew to kill a person with their bare hands. Another was a freind who was a sniper, and discussed how he liked to shoot a person in the back of their head when talking to people so their face was blown all over the person they were talking to to demoralize them. Military personnel are trained in violence, they are trained to live in conditions the normal person would find impossible. Ever been on a submarine? Can you imagine being shut in a cigar shaped tube of metal with 120 other guys, no sunlight and no way to get away from them. Nothing to do but eat, work, sleep.
The Marines have a different way of life than the Soldiers, who are different than the Airmen, who are different than the Sailors.
The average person has no clue about way of life these people live. When a Military person becomes a civilian, it's a horror story for MANY ex military, trying to re-learn how to be a civilian.
But then again, those who know, know. Thos who don't, can't.
the fact is that gays have always been in the military.... and I dont care, I am fine with that
but there is a differnce between being there, and being 'open' about something
are there pedophiles in the military...sure.. but see if one will openly admit it
are there racists in the military....sure..but see how they will be treated if they are open about it
are there alcohol abusers in the military...sure..but look at what will happen if they are open about it
are there drug users in the military...sure..but open up about that and you will be booted out, even if you selfrefer
the military has lots of diversity within its ranks, but the one thing that has always stood true,, is... dont volunteer any info
DADT allows gats to be IN the military as log as they dont OUT themselves
repealing DADT, simple gays (yes it is a lifestyle) will not be allowed at all
Gay is not a lifestyle, and repealing DADT will not ban gays from serving.
I have read, and I appreciate the fact that you were doing a job, and that you performed that job without prejudice. I thank you for your service.
May I ask, though, if you had any knowledge of the disposition of these cases, and if they were handled post-arrest without prejudice as well?
In my observation; for heterosexuals violating Art.125 of the UCMJ, the CMC/COB will commonly assign extra duties and writing an essay about why it was wrong to perform the action they were caught doing; while they are awaiting NJP. At NJP they may be awarded:
1- reduction in pay-grade;
2- fined 50% of their pay for up to 3 months;
3- reduced rations for a month or bread-water for a month;
4- 30-days in a brig followed by 30-days or restriction.
I have seen NJP awards which included all 4 of these possible options or as little as two of the above options.
For homosexuals the CMC/COB will commonly assign extra duties and writing an essay about why it was wrong to perform the action they were caught doing. Then the XO will process the individual to be discharged under a General or Administrative Discharge.
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