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View Poll Results: What do you consider yourself?
very liberal 8 7.62%
liberal 13 12.38%
somewhat liberal 14 13.33%
Moderate 16 15.24%
somewhat conservative 15 14.29%
conservative 23 21.90%
very conservative 16 15.24%
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Old 10-13-2010, 11:46 PM
 
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Wow, so much for civil discourse. Guess this isn't that understanding, tolerant, "liberal" attitude I hear so much about.
Guess not
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Old 10-14-2010, 07:22 AM
 
Location: Michigan
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Did you read my post?
I'm interested in actions, not vague fantasies.

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It means I don't think we should criminalize users, but I don't think we should decriminalize (AKA LEGALIZE) drugs like crank, herion, coke, etc. Criminalize dealers.
Decriminalize is not synonymous with legalize. I normally expect people to know about things like civil law and administrative law, but I guess that is optimistic to the point of foolishness.
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Old 10-14-2010, 08:50 AM
 
Location: Alaska
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Well, to be honest, I am not really sure. I am pro-life, pro gun rights, pro small, fiscally responsible government. I love my country, but don't like what we have become over the last 20 years or so. I feel like we need to secure our borders, really take a close look at our immigration laws so that we don't set immigrants up for failure or allow people to come to the U.S. illegally. Social programs need to be completely overhauled so that we are helping people, not just giving hand-outs. I don't think you should be able to receive more money via assistance than you can make in the work force! What is the stimulus to return to work if you can make more by staying home? Our education system is in urgent need of revamping. We need to put P.E. back in the schools and get rid of no child left behind. While a good concept, what it has ended up leading to is the further deterioration of our educational system. Put medical decisions back in the hands of medical professionals and not in the hands of an insurance company. Bring back "made in the USA" and stop outsourcing our jobs. Export more than we import, and tax the cr** out of anything we import from China. AND...for heaven sakes, stop borrowing money from other countries to pay for helping out other countries. We don't have to be the middle man, let other world powers take responsibility directly for aiding countries in need. See, how I am supposed to find a candidate that shares my views? I usually vote for the candidate I feel is the "best", no matter party affiliation. Now I am going to have to vote for the lesser of two evils. I just want people, government, the world, to do what is right based on the situation......I know, I know, but I like it here in my fantasy world!!!
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Old 10-14-2010, 09:16 AM
 
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I am more moderate, a little fiscally conservative, socially liberal, but more moderate than anything else. I am 100% for people's social freedoms, but moderate on other things
Interesting, I'm pretty much the opposite. I'm actually conservative on social issues, and liberal on fiscal issues. Seeing as abortion is a legal issue and won't be overturned anytime soon and gay marriage isn't the biggest issue on the table these days, I vote democrat.
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Old 10-14-2010, 09:48 AM
 
Location: Houston, Tx
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I’m definitely socially liberal and a moderate in other areas. I don't care what two or more people decide to do in their bedroom or their lifestyle. And I don't want anybody telling me how to live my life as long as I don't infringe on their personal rights and freedoms.
I'm:

Spoiler
Pro-choice

Pro-same sex marriage

I'm for the legalization and taxation of marijuana

I'm for some sort of guest worker program that allows undocumented workers who are currently in this country to get documented, pay their taxes, and if they so desire have a path to citizenship provided that have not committed a serious misdemeanor or felony.

I'm for equal rights for all Americans without regard to religion, national origin, race, sex, sexual orientation, or ethnicity.

When it comes to guns and gun control as long as you are NOT a habitual criminal or convicted felon I have no problem with people owning guns provided they are licensed according to the laws of their state and can operate their firearms safely.

I'm for the supremacy of federal laws over state laws, primarily because state laws have historically been used to deny certain groups of Americans their constitutional rights.

I'm for the Supreme Court and federal courts settling matters of constitutionality. They prevent people in America from using the "Tyranny of the Majority" to target certain groups of people and deny them their rights.

I'm a firm believer in the concept of the separation of church and state. I'm firmly against any religious group using government to advance a particular religious agenda.

I believe the rich should be tax at higher rates than the poor. They benefit the most from the economic and financial system in this country and they should step up and pay a greater share of the burden.

I think that there should be government programs to help people that are poor. By help I don't mean just doling out checks, but programs to help empower them, educate them and give them an opportunity to better themselves financially.

I think a more serious look should be taken at charter schools and school choice. The current way that education is taught and administered is a mess. Teachers need to be evaluated and incompetent teachers need to help and if they beyond help sent packing. There needs to a serious look taken at the inequality between rich school districts in this country and poor schools. Educational opportunity in the United States is now segregated based on income.

I think all Americans should have access to health care and it should be individual based NOT employer based, I think there should be a public option.

I'm for government regulations that protect Americans against:

unfair labor practices,

discriminatory practices based on religion, national origin, race, sex, sexual orientation, disablity or ethnicity.
unsafe working conditions,

people who pollute the environment,

insure the sanitary and safe processing of food.,

insure that drugs are safely tested BEFORE they come on the market place,

prevent predatory and unfair credit and lending practices

prevent non-transparent financial markets

prevent inherently unfair market practices in financial and other consumer or commercial markets.

I'm for net neutrality religion, national origin, race, sex, sexual orientation, or ethnicity.

I'm for a national defense policy that ends the United States playing "Super Cop" it's too expensive and it's about time other countries step up and pay the freight in terms of their own national security. The United States defensive posture needs to concentrate on defending America first and foremost and only using preemptive force when there is clear, present and identifiable threat to America or American people. This starts with SECURING OUR BORDERS!

I’m for government research and subsidies for alternative clean fuel research. I’m against the current subsidies for the petroleum industry.
In that long laundry list of positions I didn't see one that I would consider moderate. You are very liberal-left. Just the one position you took on "the supremacy of federal laws over state laws" makes you an extremist. The whole basis of our government and Constitution is Federalism.
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Old 10-14-2010, 11:54 AM
 
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There's lots of "label bashing" on this board" and it annoys me. I've been called everything from a socialist to a communist because I don't agree with the republicans. Want to know where I stand?

On social issues: Here's my corrupt liberal lifestyle--I've been married for nearly 25 years to the same person, and we have 5 kids. We go to church at least weekly--I teach Sunday School, and also teach a bible study class for preteens on Wednesdays after school. My husband is on our church board. We don't drink, smoke, or do drugs.

We believe parenting is our most important job--as a result, our children are good students, good athletes, good leaders, polite, kind and well behaved.

My husband and I both put ourselves through college with financial aid, scholarships, and student loans--no additional help from family. When we finished our undergrads, we worked second jobs to pay off the loans, then I worked to put DH through grad school (with no loans). I went to grad school at night through an employer. We worked second jobs again to come up with the downpayment for our first house. While we were doing this, and both of us were working, we were investing one of our incomes from full time work, and living off the other. By the time we could start a family, I could comfortably leave my job and work from home. My DH is in an upper level management position, and I am self employed. We are in our early 50's with NO personal debt except for a small amount left on our home, and substantial savings/investments--enough to put 5 kids through college plus fund a comfortable retirement.

Yeah, I'm looking for a hand out

The part that makes me "liberal"? I don't think the government has the right to force my life choices and beliefs, or those of anyone else, down our throats--that's BIG GOVERNMENT at it's worst. I support some more liberal leaning issues, like gay rights, because I don't think discrimination follows Christ's teachings.

Here's my corrupt liberal economic viewpoint: I believe in responsible, efficient government. I believe government has an important role to play--it creates order from chaos, but it needs to be managed like a business--if you can't make a compelling case that a program creates a benefit, then why are you doing it? You have to be willing to pay for things as you go, unless it's taking on debt for an investment that will have a much larger long term payoff. THAT is a true conservative position.

The position I see coming out of the R's (who call themselves conservatives?) Cut taxes and cut spending.

Ok....If you reduce your income, you need to take the cuts your proposing even further to make up the difference--social programs are a drop in the bucket, plus rioting in the streets and looting because people are homeless and hungry doesn't exactly create a conducive environment for business growth and stability. What's it going to be? The military? I haven't heard a plan--there doesn't seem to be one. Just "hope for the best, slash and not think" is not an acceptable business model. There's also nothing conservative about it.

Care to throw around any more labels?
Too bad you all didn't have more children ... the gene pool could use every shot in the arm it can get.

And it is precisely the impact on folks like you, and your children's futures that infuriate me about the corrupt system we are living with, and what is undeniably a concerted effort to destroy you ... much of which you probably don't even see, because you've been too busy working hard and raising children to be decent human beings. That doesn't leave a lot of idle time to delve into such matters.

Everything you've said about yourself and your family labels you as traditional conservative republican in the classic definition ... the problem is, there is no such thing in republican party politics anymore ... and maybe .. there hasn't been for the entire length of time you've been alive. Which is why libertarian or constitution party politics are your's, and the rest of us only hope for a return to sound government that serves the people, rather than serving themselves.

The lines between conservative and liberal have blurred ... each side embracing extremism to the point of adopting the worst elements of each, rather than the best elements of both, which I suppose demands an explanation.

The extreme left wants all powerful government to manage all aspects of life ... be the provider of all needs, which can only lead to one end .. authoritarianism-socialism, at the expense of individual liberty. The extreme right, though claiming to embrace the classic conservative ideology of small government, have instead participated equally in the creation of that all powerful government and it's increasing federal tyranny without the enticements of wealth distribution inherent in the socialistic model. In that regard, the two parties meet at the same destination, though travel on separate but parallel paths, which only appear to be different. This represents the age old tactic of divide and conquer, one party catering to one segment, and the other masquerading as opposition.

And we all had better get wise real fast, and recognize how these criminals are playing one side against the other, while periodically switching conductors on the same train to the same destination.
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Old 10-14-2010, 12:11 PM
 
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Today's argument between so called liberals and conservatives can be analogized by a joke I heard a long time ago ...

Sitting on a city bus one day ... a wino sat down next to a very straight laced conservative elderly woman of obvious religious leanings ... he sat down, and from the brown paper bag he was carrying, took a big swig off his bottle of wine.

The elderly lady remarked ... "Sir ... don't you realize you are on your way to hell"? The wino, extending the bottle toward her replied "Well Mam, you might as well take a drink ... because we're on the same bus".
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Old 10-14-2010, 12:21 PM
 
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I am so liberal socially it frightens people
I am so conservative financially it scares people even more
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Old 10-14-2010, 12:22 PM
 
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Sitting on a city bus one day ... a wino sat down next to a very straight laced conservative elderly woman of obvious religious leanings ... he sat down, and from the brown paper bag he was carrying, took a big swig off his bottle of wine.

The elderly lady remarked ... "Sir ... don't you realize you are on your way to hell"? The wino, extending the bottle toward her replied "Well Mam, you might as well take a drink ... because we're on the same bus".
Good Joke and very profound
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Old 10-14-2010, 12:35 PM
 
Location: Sierra Vista, AZ
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Wow, so much for civil discourse. Guess this isn't that understanding, tolerant, "liberal" attitude I hear so much about.
Where I am from there are card carrying Nazis in the Republican Party. That means I could not vote for ANY Republican.
In fact it is my duty to try to defeat them
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