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...I guess my post didn't warrant a proper response?
So how do you know what you claim? I believe everyone except a very few are born as hetrosexual, I believe sometime during our lives that events shape us and some people get confused, maybe from a bad relationship or whatever, Maybe the opposite sex teased that person or maybe that person is just over emotional and confused. Born that way? I doubt it very much, mental disorder? most likely. Just because Hollywood decides it's ok doesn't make it so and just because the A.P.A. is lobbied to remove the mental disorder from it's list doesn't mean it's proof of anything it's called political pressure. I don't tell others what to believe but on the same note I don't let others tell me what to believe, my opinions are based on facts or the lack of facts and common sense and I see not one single bit of hard evidence of anyone being born Homosexual.
Everyone has emotional or psychological things that factor into their sexuality. Sexuality is defined by many things, but that doesn't mean that whatever results from it is a choice. For example, some people are born with a disability, and some people acquire a disability later in life due to environmental causes, and some people have a disability that is partially biological, partially environmental. But that doesn't make their disability any more of a choice than those who are born with the same disability. The same goes for homosexuality. Even if it is environmental or psychological, in whole or in part, that doesn't necessarily mean it's a choice.
Everyone has emotional or psychological things that factor into their sexuality. Sexuality is defined by many things, but that doesn't mean that whatever results from it is a choice. For example, some people are born with a disability, and some people acquire a disability later in life due to environmental causes, and some people have a disability that is partially biological, partially environmental. But that doesn't make their disability any more of a choice than those who are born with the same disability. The same goes for homosexuality. Even if it is environmental or psychological, in whole or in part, that doesn't necessarily mean it's a choice.
Exactly
As I asked another poster who insists on labeling homosexuality as unnatural - so what if it is? I don't personally label it as such, just to be clear. But so what? And so what if the person wasn't born that way, but instead something happened in nature or nurture that turned them that way? It's clear that whatever the cause, most people know what gender they are attracted to by the time they develop sexual attraction. It's not something they are free to change or switch back to their "born straight" condition (if that were even the case). Shouldn't we still treat them decently?
Do people who insist on these arguments wish to institutionalize gays? Stigmatize them? Just what is their motive with their "gays aren't born that way" argument?
I believe everyone except a very few are born as hetrosexual
Which few aren't? What are those few born as? Why are they born the way they are? What's your evidence?
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I believe sometime during our lives that events shape us and some people get confused, maybe from a bad relationship or whatever, Maybe the opposite sex teased that person or maybe that person is just over emotional and confused. Born that way? I doubt it very much
Can you offer a theory or hypothesis as to how such things change a person so that he or she converts from being heterosexual or "normal" (you did say nearly all people are born heterosexual) into a homosexual? In other words, what biological mechanism changes a personal from desiring men to desiring women (or vice-versa)? Is such a change permantent, or can it be reversed?
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mental disorder? most likely.
First, would you please define what you mean by mental disorder.
How does the mental disorder of homosexuality prevent or diminish the ability of homosexuals to relate to others or performing normal daily functions?
If it is in fact a mental disorder, does that justify discrimination?
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Just because Hollywood decides it's ok doesn't make it so
Hollywood - seriously? What's making homosexuality accepted is homosexuals coming out of the closet and sharing their stories. People who either have a gay family member or who have a good friend come out as gay are much, much, much more likely to see the truth about homosexuality and give up long held, religious based misconceptions.
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and just because the A.P.A. is lobbied to remove the mental disorder from it's list doesn't mean it's proof of anything it's called political pressure.
Haha - talk about revisionist history. Care to give us a history lesson on how the APA's view on homosexuality changed?
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my opinions are based on facts or the lack of facts and common sense and. I see not one single bit of hard evidence of anyone being born Homosexual.
If you're basing your conclusion of of the lack of evidence pointing to a biological basis for homosexuality, that's your fault for being glaringly ignorant on the subject. Essentially ALL the evidence supports that conclusion.
First, would you please define what you mean by mental disorder.
How does the mental disorder of homosexuality prevent or diminish the ability of homosexuals to relate to others or performing normal daily functions?
If it is in fact a mental disorder, does that justify discrimination?
Haha - talk about revisionist history. Care to give us a history lesson on how the APA's view on homosexuality changed?
If you're basing your conclusion of of the lack of evidence pointing to a biological basis for homosexuality, that's your fault for being glaringly ignorant on the subject. Essentially ALL the evidence supports that conclusion.
Your mental disorder is gender confusion, simple and I never said it diminshes any ability, you said that.
You can search yourself to find the APA was pettitioned to remove homosexuality from their list of disorders, it's no secret.
there is not 1 bit of physical evedence that you are born that way, it is opinion and theory which is the same as opinion.
I love how you call people names when you upset. by the way just because I believe it's a mental disorder doesn't mean I expect you to believe it, I don't force my belief on anyone.
Which few aren't? What are those few born as? Why are they born the way they are? What's your evidence?
Can you offer a theory or hypothesis as to how such things change a person so that he or she converts from being heterosexual or "normal" (you did say nearly all people are born heterosexual) into a homosexual? In other words, what biological mechanism changes a personal from desiring men to desiring women (or vice-versa)? Is such a change permantent, or can it be reversed?
First, would you please define what you mean by mental disorder.
How does the mental disorder of homosexuality prevent or diminish the ability of homosexuals to relate to others or performing normal daily functions?
If it is in fact a mental disorder, does that justify discrimination?
Hollywood - seriously? What's making homosexuality accepted is homosexuals coming out of the closet and sharing their stories. People who either have a gay family member or who have a good friend come out as gay are much, much, much more likely to see the truth about homosexuality and give up long held, religious based misconceptions.
Haha - talk about revisionist history. Care to give us a history lesson on how the APA's view on homosexuality changed?
If you're basing your conclusion of of the lack of evidence pointing to a biological basis for homosexuality, that's your fault for being glaringly ignorant on the subject. Essentially ALL the evidence supports that conclusion.
it still has not been proven that homosexuals are born that way. say what you want its still not a proven fact.
Your mental disorder is gender confusion, simple and I never said it diminshes any ability, you said that.
I asked you to define what a mental disorder is generally, not what broader category of mental disorder you believe homosexuality falls into.
I asked what I did for a reason. You don't seem to know what a mental disorder is. The most accepted definition of "mental disorder" or "mental illness" is a condition effecting a person's thinking or feeling such that it prevents or diminishes his or her ability to relate to others or preform daily functions.
So again, how does homosexuality prevent or diminish the afflicted homosexual from relating to others or preforming normal functions? If it doesn't, then it's NOT A MENTAL DISORDER. It's just a different type of person.
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You can search yourself to find the APA was pettitioned to remove homosexuality from their list of disorders, it's no secret.
In doing so, they reference a mountain of scientific, clinical, and medical evidence.
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there is not 1 bit of physical evedence that you are born that way, it is opinion and theory which is the same as opinion.
There's tons of evidence that homosexuality is 100% biologically determined (in other words no choice) - in fact just about ALL the evidence supports that (more specifically a multigenetic basis greatly influenced by environmental factors such as hormonal exposure in the womb). You're correct in the sense that there's no certainty as to exactly when it become biologically set (in the womb, at birth, a few months old, etc, etc).
I personally do not believe that people are "born" homosexual, it's just a feeling I have, I believe that there is a cause for homosexuality. If people are born gay, does that mean that pedophiles are born to be pedophiles? Does this also mean that people who are sexually attracted to their blood related members are born to have incest or are people born to be sexually attracted to animals or corpses? If people start thinking that, does this mean we'll have to accept people who molest children or people who have sex with animals? Right now those sexual thoughts except for homosexuality are considered to be mental disorders, sexual disorders and deviant. Homosexuality used to be considered sick and deviant as well, why isn't it anymore?
Give me an explanation as to WHY you think homosexuals are born homosexual and why you are so certain that people are born as homosexuals.
well there you go!
no need for studies and research
You have a feeling.
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