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Old 10-18-2010, 02:39 PM
 
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Have you ever tried commuting into New York City on a regular basis by car from New Jersey?
Most people in NJ don't . Why should we pay for your speedy ride ?
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Old 10-18-2010, 02:39 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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It is unfortunate that Christie has chosen a pointless temper tantrum instead.
Saying NO to spending money you don't have and don't forsee getting is pretty good governing IMHO.

Would you want NJ to raise taxes to cover the difference ?
I don't think the good folks in New Jersey want their taxes to go up anymore and Christie is doing just that.

If you can't pay for it..don't do it.
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Old 10-18-2010, 02:43 PM
 
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If you can't pay for it..don't do it.
You might as well be speaking a foreign language to Democrats with that kind of crazy talk.
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Old 10-18-2010, 02:53 PM
 
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The governor questioned the hole Democrats say the state is now in, and said he’s not about to spend billions to save $600 million. In fact, he said New Jersey’s Democratic senators should spend their time finding ways to redirect the federal money toward other projects.

Governor Christie also questioned why New York City wouldn’t contribute money toward the tunnel, since the city would have benefitted from it. Mayor Bloomberg said earlier this week that he supported the tunnel, but that the city couldn’t help pay for it

Governor Christie Scraps NJ-NY Rail Tunnel « CBS New York – News, Sports, Weather, Traffic and the Best of NY

I notice none of the lefties are complaining about the RINO Bloomberg and the inability of NYC to contribute towards the project. Fiscal responsibility by Independents and the GOP probably will be the undermining of Obama. Of course, Obama could choose to be fiscally responsible and STOP the SPENDING if he wasn't out to destroy this country.
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Old 10-18-2010, 02:57 PM
 
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Gov Christie is exactly what states like NJ need whether some of the people who live there agree or not, someone has to tell the Democrats no.
Yeah no to good infrastructure. No go making NJ a better place to live. No to efficient roads. We need the money for investment banker salaries and our Iraqi friends.

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Most people in NJ don't . Why should we pay for your speedy ride ?
Cite? The NYC and NJ economy are intimately tied together. Even if you don't commute there I guarantee that many businesses near you depend on NYC for business.

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Saying NO to spending money you don't have and don't forsee getting is pretty good governing IMHO.

Would you want NJ to raise taxes to cover the difference ?
I don't think the good folks in New Jersey want their taxes to go up anymore and Christie is doing just that.

If you can't pay for it..don't do it.
NJ has the money. Governor Jerk just doesn't want to use it properly. If you don't pay for infrastructure you're not going to attract people to live in NJ. At some point the commute will worsen even further and people will simply decide that living in NJ isn't worth it.

You have to maintain the roads. If you can't afford it you borrow and do it anyway or you'll never be able to afford them at all.
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Old 10-18-2010, 02:59 PM
 
Location: NE CT
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Do you know why there are so many bridges and tunnels?

Because people are commuting to Manhattan from Westchester County, Brooklyn, the Bronx, Staten Island, Queens, Nassau County and half a dozen NJ counties.

The metropolitan NYC area comprises over 20 million people. They need an effective infrastructure to get around.



Leaving it to the market means far more pollution as people choose cars. People all over the region have a vested interest in encouraging the usage of public transportation. This reduces reliance on inefficient cars and decreases our need for continuing importation of non-renewable resources.

Calling the NYC subways a failure is utterly inaccurate. The subways are fast, effective and reduce pollution. As a result NYC is one of the most energy efficient places in the entire world let alone in America. Without subway usage Manhattan would be essentially unliveable as cars crammed the roadways.

At some point the government has to govern. It is unfortunate that Christie has chosen a pointless temper tantrum instead.
Any proof that leaving the solutions to private enterprise causes more pollution? A bus full of people causes less pollution than one car for every person on that bus. Privately funded fast rail trolley type cars would be an attractive alternative to those who were willing to pay for it. NYC is already out of parking spaces for cars so the prices continue to increase until it eliminates those who can't afford it anymore.


As for the NY Transit system it is a complete and utter faiilure without tax subsidies. It's a failure because they could not exist without taking taxation upon gasoline, and from other taxpayer sources, then using it to subsidize over bloated unions who use that money to fund political candidates who promise to give them even more taxpayer money. It is a viscious theft of the taxpayer money. These systems need to be privatized and forced to run on their own earnings. It can be done if one breaks the odious and crooked political cycle of funding partisan hacks being manipulated by the crooked politicians.
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Old 10-18-2010, 03:02 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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NJ has the money. Governor Jerk just doesn't want to use it properly.
So you're saying that NJ has a surplus of $8 billion that is not needed and can be used for this tunnel ? ($3 bill from Feds but projected to cost $11 billion).

Kinda goes against everything I've been reading about the financial state of New Jersey.
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Old 10-18-2010, 03:08 PM
 
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Do you know why there are so many bridges and tunnels?ad.
I have a vacation home in Pittsburgh and they have 446 bridges.. Its due to topography, and has little to do with traffic. You could move a business to less populated areas and still need bridges to get there.
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Old 10-18-2010, 03:17 PM
 
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Any proof that leaving the solutions to private enterprise causes more pollution? A bus full of people causes less pollution than one car for every person on that bus. Privately funded fast rail trolley type cars would be an attractive alternative to those who were willing to pay for it. NYC is already out of parking spaces for cars so the prices continue to increase until it eliminates those who can't afford it anymore.
Um you realize that private bus companies already exist in NJ and are often heavily subsidized by the state because they wouldn't work if they weren't? Fast rail also ready exists in certain places but isn't going to be attractive to an investor unless funded by the state at least partially. The truth is the roads and commuting system are far too important to be left to the caprice of private hands. Abdication of that kind of responsibility is abdication of leadership and therefore no governance at all.

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As for the NY Transit system it is a complete and utter faiilure without tax subsidies. It's a failure because they could not exist without taking taxation upon gasoline, and from other taxpayer sources, then using it to subsidize over bloated unions who use that money to fund political candidates who promise to give them even more taxpayer money. It is a viscious theft of the taxpayer money. These systems need to be privatized and forced to run on their own earnings. It can be done if one breaks the odious and crooked political cycle of funding partisan hacks being manipulated by the crooked politicians.
Just because something is subsidized by the state does not make it an inherent failure. NYC needs a subway system. Without the subway system the city itself would be unliveable and attracting virtually no one let alone the millions who flock to NYC each year. It would be another Houston lacking charm and individuality. Conservative adherence to the idiotic belief that anything run by the government is inherently bad is silly.

The car itself is far more subsidized in the form of tax breaks to oil companies than any seat on the subway will ever be. Claiming otherwise is laughable. Cars are also subsidized by the deliberate designing of cities, towns and subways that emphasize the car as a means of public transportation rather than common sense public transport.

The following book lays out that historical process in great detail:

Amazon.com: Crabgrass Frontier: The Suburbanization of the United States (9780195049831): Kenneth T. Jackson: Books

If gasoline were really priced based on the effects of getting it in your car and using it you'd be paying five or six times what you do right now. That's simply a fact. The guy sitting in the subway isn't a tenth as much of a thief of taxpayer funds or a freerider causing our air to be polluted as the single driver in his large car.

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So you're saying that NJ has a surplus of $8 billion that is not needed and can be used for this tunnel ? ($3 bill from Feds but projected to cost $11 billion).

Kinda goes against everything I've been reading about the financial state of New Jersey.
I'm writing that certain investments are necessary. You don't let the house roof rot just because you lack funds at the present time. You borrow and fix it. Or you go homeless and have no one to blame but yourself.
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Old 10-18-2010, 03:21 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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I'm writing that certain investments are necessary. You don't let the house roof rot just because you lack funds at the present time. You borrow and fix it. Or you go homeless and have no one to blame but yourself.
You posted that NJ has the money.

Are you mad at NY for saying the same thing.."Sorry..too expensive" ?
Now is just not the time and that tunnel would have been nice but is not NEEDED.
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