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Old 10-18-2010, 02:21 PM
 
Location: Reality
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Yeah no to good infrastructure. No go making NJ a better place to live. No to efficient roads. We need the money for investment banker salaries and our Iraqi friends.
It doesn't matter, none of that matters if the state is already broke and looking for ways to reduce spending. Some people like the gov. are doing things that need to be done, they aren't going make people happy but they still need to be done. This country can't live on rainbows and unicorn milk forever, at some point the debt has to be paid back.

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NJ has the money. Governor Jerk just doesn't want to use it properly. If you don't pay for infrastructure you're not going to attract people to live in NJ. At some point the commute will worsen even further and people will simply decide that living in NJ isn't worth it.

You have to maintain the roads. If you can't afford it you borrow and do it anyway or you'll never be able to afford them at all.
NJ doesn't have the money, they would have to borrow it. NJ is broke just like a lot of other states, that's why the gov. is trying to fix the problem instead of making it worse like most Democrats want.
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Old 10-18-2010, 02:24 PM
 
Location: Reality
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I'm writing that certain investments are necessary. You don't let the house roof rot just because you lack funds at the present time. You borrow and fix it. Or you go homeless and have no one to blame but yourself.
You can't borrow what you know you can't pay back, if you lack the funds you either fix what you have or make due with what you have. The current system may not be the fastest or best but NJ can't afford the best or fastest right now. Gov. Christie sees that, apparently you would rather treat this like a teenage girl with daddy's credit card looking at $750 prom dresses.
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Old 10-18-2010, 02:25 PM
 
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You posted that NJ has the money.

Are you mad at NY for saying the same thing.."Sorry..too expensive" ?
Now is just not the time and that tunnel would have been nice but is not NEEDED.
YES IT IS.

The tunnel is necessary. No one disputes this but Governor Idiot and a few ill informed Republicans who do not live in NYC or any of the surrounding areas.

NJ does have the money. Christie's alleged concern is that at some point NJ will not have the money because the project could cost more. That is short sighted and silly. Christie is ignoring why people move to NJ and live there in the first place. I'll give him a hint: it isn't to view the scenic byways of downtown Newark or the lovely views from Camden.
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Old 10-18-2010, 02:31 PM
 
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YES IT IS.

The tunnel is necessary. No one disputes this but Governor Idiot and a few ill informed Republicans who do not live in NYC or any of the surrounding areas.

NJ does have the money. Christie's alleged concern is that at some point NJ will not have the money because the project could cost more. That is short sighted and silly. Christie is ignoring why people move to NJ and live there in the first place. I'll give him a hint: it isn't to view the scenic byways of downtown Newark or the lovely views from Camden.
So let NY pay for the tunnel if that's why it needs to be built.
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Old 10-18-2010, 02:31 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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YES IT IS.

The tunnel is necessary. No one disputes this but Governor Idiot and a few ill informed Republicans who do not live in NYC or any of the surrounding areas.

NJ does have the money. Christie's alleged concern is that at some point NJ will not have the money because the project could cost more. That is short sighted and silly. Christie is ignoring why people move to NJ and live there in the first place. I'll give him a hint: it isn't to view the scenic byways of downtown Newark or the lovely views from Camden.
The tunnel would be nice and add to transportation but is not "needed".
NJ does not have the money if they have to borrow it with no way to pay it back.
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Old 10-18-2010, 02:32 PM
 
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It doesn't matter, none of that matters if the state is already broke and looking for ways to reduce spending. Some people like the gov. are doing things that need to be done, they aren't going make people happy but they still need to be done. This country can't live on rainbows and unicorn milk forever, at some point the debt has to be paid back.

NJ doesn't have the money, they would have to borrow it. NJ is broke just like a lot of other states, that's why the gov. is trying to fix the problem instead of making it worse like most Democrats want.
The governor is bloviating.

All he's done is attack teachers and raise property taxes.

The governor isn't fixing the problem. The governor is pretending it doesn't exist in the first place. He's an idiot.

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You can't borrow what you know you can't pay back, if you lack the funds you either fix what you have or make due with what you have. The current system may not be the fastest or best but NJ can't afford the best or fastest right now. Gov. Christie sees that, apparently you would rather treat this like a teenage girl with daddy's credit card looking at $750 prom dresses.
This isn't the best or fastest. This is a problem. It needs to be fixed or NJ commuters will eventually face a complete breakdown of the system. Christie is like the daddy sitting in the living room of a house with a seriously leaking roof arguing that a little rain is somehow good for the furniture.

It's the usual Republican nonsense. We can afford to bail out investment bankers. We can afford trillion dollar useless wars. We can afford second home mortgage subsidies. But all of sudden we can't afford basic necessities.

Under that kind of short sighted thinking most great American public works projects would never exist and we'd all be traveling by private car or rowboat.
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Old 10-18-2010, 02:34 PM
 
Location: Staten Island, NY
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More money for the rest of us, so I guess many States should be cheering this move. Even if the money is split among ten States; hey $300 million ain't hay! But it was a bad decision for NJ and NY. Not only would it create 6,000 much needed jobs, it would improve travel between the two states. True the project had flaws, such as being unusable to Amtrak trains. But it looked like a new tunnel was finally on the horizon. Projects of this magnitude are very long term, like planning for grandchildren at your High School graduation.
pvande55 -It's all borrowed money. Money we don't have. This is bad news no matter how you look at it. Useless to Amtrak trains?
Doesn't this give you an idea of how wasteful government spending is?
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Old 10-18-2010, 02:35 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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YES IT IS.

The tunnel is necessary. No one disputes this but Governor Idiot and a few ill informed Republicans who do not live in NYC or any of the surrounding areas.

NJ does have the money. Christie's alleged concern is that at some point NJ will not have the money because the project could cost more. That is short sighted and silly. Christie is ignoring why people move to NJ and live there in the first place. I'll give him a hint: it isn't to view the scenic byways of downtown Newark or the lovely views from Camden.
NJ has some of the highest property taxes in the nation.
Christie has worked in a bipartisan way to enact a budget that even the NJ Dems agreed to.

You want someone who rubber stamps YES then look towards California.
Christie is trying to help the people of NJ who are overtaxed and do not want any more taxes.
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Old 10-18-2010, 02:39 PM
 
Location: NE CT
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Yeah no to good infrastructure. No go making NJ a better place to live. No to efficient roads. We need the money for investment banker salaries and our Iraqi friends.



Cite? The NYC and NJ economy are intimately tied together. Even if you don't commute there I guarantee that many businesses near you depend on NYC for business.



NJ has the money. Governor Jerk just doesn't want to use it properly. If you don't pay for infrastructure you're not going to attract people to live in NJ. At some point the commute will worsen even further and people will simply decide that living in NJ isn't worth it.

You have to maintain the roads. If you can't afford it you borrow and do it anyway or you'll never be able to afford them at all.
Perhaps Gov "Jerk" has a better idea on how to spend that money to get a bigger bang for the taxpayers' buck. I don't know. We will have to see. btw, what does "properly" mean anyway? Can you define "properly spent" money? And since he hasn't sepnt it, how can you say it isn't properly spent anyway?

NJ could maintain their main roads very well if they used all of the taxes they collected upon fuel to go for the maintenence and upkeep of their roads. But they like in Connecticut, rob the taxes collected on gasoline and diesel fuel and use it to subsidize mass transit. Partisan poltical hacks pay their supporters back with money robbed from taxpayer funds such as these and then corrupt union officials return the "favor" by stealing union dues from members and giving it to the politicans who hand it back to them after their election. A crooked carousel if I ever saw one..

The problem is not the money, it is what the crooked politicans do with the taxpayers' money when they get their grimey sleazy hands upon it.

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Robert Poole at Reason has argued that we should spend all money collected in user fees on roads, and while it’s true that a lot of fuel tax money goes to mass transit and non-road expenses, there are also massive amounts of money traveling the other way, from general revenues going to the roads. State and federal highways are covered by their user fees, but the local roads that run outside your doorstep and which are in many ways most important are paid for almost entirely out of general revenues. So although it may sound counterintuitive, unless we stop building roads out of local budgets, spending less of the gas tax on highways will actually bring the total amount spent closer to the total amount collected
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Old 10-18-2010, 02:43 PM
 
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Have to love the credit card mentality on this thread.

B-b-but we really neeeed it and besides we can just put it on the plastic.

If people don't understand the perils by now, they never will.
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