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I've read more than enough posts implying that if someone will not join a witch hunt they're un-American.
IF we could find 5,000 Muslims who'd participated in terror attacks they would represent 0.000333% of the world's Muslim population based on the conservative estimate of 1,500,000,000 worldwide. The equivalent percentage of the US population would be 1,000 people. Would you really think it wise, accurate, or fair to judge the entire population of the US by the actions of 1,000 Americans? There's far, far more than 1,000 Americans in jail, should an observer with no prior knowledge conclude from that fact that ALL Americans are criminals? I'd like to hear some logic behind juding a large group by such a small number.
And please, the Bible states "Thou shalt not kill" with no qualifiers, something we for good reason do not take literally. So even if the Koran may speak of killing infidels, and I'm not familiar enough to know if it does and/or in what context, are there any FACTS to indicate that any other than the radicals take the Koran any more literally than most take the Bible?
I've read more than enough posts implying that if someone will not join a witch hunt they're un-American.
IF we could find 5,000 Muslims who'd participated in terror attacks they would represent 0.000333% of the world's Muslim population based on the conservative estimate of 1,500,000,000 worldwide. The equivalent percentage of the US population would be 1,000 people. Would you really think it wise, accurate, or fair to judge the entire population of the US by the actions of 1,000 Americans? There's far, far more than 1,000 Americans in jail, should an observer with no prior knowledge conclude from that fact that ALL Americans are criminals? I'd like to hear some logic behind juding a large group by such a small number.
And please, the Bible states "Thou shalt not kill" with no qualifiers, something we for good reason do not take literally. So even if the Koran may speak of killing infidels, and I'm not familiar enough to know if it does and/or in what context, are there any FACTS to indicate that any other than the radicals take the Koran any more literally than most take the Bible?
No argument here I think it's dangerous to judge any group of people by the actions of a few.
Yeah, agreed..... Not sure what you're digging for here, but I don't recall anyone on this board banging the drum to kill all Muslims and that all Muslims are evil.
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Yeah, agreed..... Not sure what you're digging for here, but I don't recall anyone on this board banging the drum to kill all Muslims and that all Muslims are evil.
Who's on the witch hunt here exactly???
Oh, I've seen a number of posts amounting to saying that all Muslims are taught they must kill infidels and given the chance will all act that way, that's why I brought up that I don't believe the Koran is taken literally by most Muslims unless someone can offer facts to the contrary.
I believe there's estimated to be about 750,000 Muslims in the US, if they were all out attemptiong to kill infidels surely the murder rate would be many times higher than it is.
Hell, show me someone proven guilty of a murderous act of terrorism and I'll happily flick the switch, pull the trigger, push the injection myself with no second thoughts but I think it's pretty much a witch hunt if you assume the guilt of a particular religious, ethnic, national group before any facts are known and evaluated.
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Well there was that sticky about not responding to trollers. Looks like it worked. This is trolling defined.
I'd like to hear the explanation for that statement because as far as I'm concerned it's anything but.
Exactly how is it trolling to ask someone to explain the reason for there beliefs/actions? Sounds like discussion to me which is why I thought this forum existed.
Oh, I've seen a number of posts amounting to saying that all Muslims are taught they must kill infidels and given the chance will all act that way, that's why I brought up that I don't believe the Koran is taken literally by most Muslims unless someone can offer facts to the contrary.
I believe there's estimated to be about 750,000 Muslims in the US, if they were all out attemptiong to kill infidels surely the murder rate would be many times higher than it is.
Hell, show me someone proven guilty of a murderous act of terrorism and I'll happily flick the switch, pull the trigger, push the injection myself with no second thoughts but I think it's pretty much a witch hunt if you assume the guilt of a particular religious, ethnic, national group before any facts are known and evaluated.
Well, I'd pretty much narrow it down that "fundamentalists" of any religion tend to be a bit out there.
Many fundamentalist Christians are certainly no better than fundamentalist Muslims. Funny thing is that I think the "Holy War" is between them and at the very least I'll give the respect to the fundamentalist Muslims that they at least seem willing to actually do the fighting in that war....
Well there was that sticky about not responding to trollers. Looks like it worked. This is trolling defined.
That stings.
Actually Burdell brings up an excellent point. There have been several threads/posts in this forum relating to specific passages in the Koran that would appear to "justify" killing. Check out the threads about 45 Muslim Doctors planning terror raids, Iraqi doctors behind attack, etc.
The implication is that Muslims (even the educated ones) are all getting together to go on a global jihad against us poor nice Christian folk, driven by the teachings of the Koran.
This would also lend one to justify having our entire army in Iraq to squash the Muslim hordes, instead of concentrating on using intelligence (no pun intended) and special forces to thwart specific plots and terrorist finances. If we acknowledge that the terrorists are actually radicals located all over the world then it becomes more difficult to justify why our entire army is sitting in Iraq policing a civil war.
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Actually Burdell brings up an excellent point. There have been several threads/posts in this forum relating to specific passages in the Koran that would appear to "justify" killing. Check out the threads about 45 Muslim Doctors planning terror raids, Iraqi doctors behind attack, etc.
The implication is that Muslims (even the educated ones) are all getting together to go on a global jihad against us poor nice Christian folk, driven by the teachings of the Koran..
Thank You! That's exactly what I'm questioing.
After all, like I originally stated, the Bible says don't kill with no qualifiers yet we surely don't take it literally. It also speaks of taking care of your slaves and not sparing the rod with your children which aren't exactly held to be great ideas today. It's why I asked if there's any reason to believe that many Muslim beliefs haven't evolved in the same way many Christian beliefs have?
Believe me, if I wanted to troll I could do a much better job of it!
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