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Old 10-20-2010, 11:04 AM
 
Location: Texas
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What did she say that was actually wrong?

et tu?
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Old 10-20-2010, 11:24 AM
 
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What did she say that was actually wrong?
It's beyond arguing about the scope of the Establishment Clause, this woman didn't even know that there was an Establishment Clause!

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When Coons responded that the First Amendment bars Congress from making laws respecting the establishment of religion, O'Donnell asked: "You're telling me that's in the First Amendment?"
The reaction of the students there says it louder than I ever could.
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Old 10-20-2010, 11:37 AM
 
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It's beyond arguing about the scope of the Establishment Clause, this woman didn't even know that there was an Establishment Clause!



The reaction of the students there says it louder than I ever could.
Taken in context, her argument was that the establishment clause says nothing about separation of church and state.

of course, it's easier to just laugh at someone and make fun of them when you can't actually argue the point, isn't it?
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Old 10-20-2010, 11:53 AM
 
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Taken in context, her argument was that the establishment clause says nothing about separation of church and state.

of course, it's easier to just laugh at someone and make fun of them when you can't actually argue the point, isn't it?
He quotes the Establishment Clause verbatim and her reply is "That's in the 1st amendment?".

Watch from 7:07 on

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miwSljJAzqg

On top of that, she even says that schools should be able to decide whether or not to teach Evolution! As though they can decide whether or not to teach General Relativity or gravity.
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Old 10-20-2010, 12:35 PM
 
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He quotes the Establishment Clause verbatim and her reply is "That's in the 1st amendment?".

Watch from 7:07 on


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miwSljJAzqg

On top of that, she even says that schools should be able to decide whether or not to teach Evolution! As though they can decide whether or not to teach General Relativity or gravity.
I can't watch it now...from what I remember I thought they had a back and forth going...and I took her response to be about the separation in general.

I do agree with her regarding the schools being able to choose what they want to teach.
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Old 10-20-2010, 12:37 PM
 
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I do agree with her regarding the schools being able to choose what they want to teach.
Public schools should not be allowed to choose to teach theology. Thank God the majority of the American population and more importantly the Constitution and the Supreme Court agree with me.
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Old 10-20-2010, 12:41 PM
 
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Taken in context, her argument was that the establishment clause says nothing about separation of church and state.

of course, it's easier to just laugh at someone and make fun of them when you can't actually argue the point, isn't it?
Yeah, I'm sure that no one in the audience at a law school would be capable of arguing that point with her.

Personally, my favorite bit is, during the laughter at her performance, someone says, "see, I told you!"
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Old 10-20-2010, 12:47 PM
 
Location: Va. Beach
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Originally Posted by Hoarfrost View Post
He quotes the Establishment Clause verbatim and her reply is "That's in the 1st amendment?".

Watch from 7:07 on


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miwSljJAzqg

On top of that, she even says that schools should be able to decide whether or not to teach Evolution! As though they can decide whether or not to teach General Relativity or gravity.
There is no clause in the first amendment that requires seperation of church and state.

Additionally, schools are a state issue and what they teach is a state issue. The federal Government has no say in the matter.
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Old 10-20-2010, 12:51 PM
 
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Sure, lets have Public Schools teach.....Creationism!!
30 minutes a day of watching.....The Flintstones!!

Yaba....Daba....Dooooooooooooooooo................ ............

Freakin' AMAZING!!??

Steve
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Old 10-20-2010, 12:58 PM
 
Location: NE CT
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Sure, lets have Public Schools teach.....Creationism!!
30 minutes a day of watching.....The Flintstones!!

Yaba....Daba....Dooooooooooooooooo................ ............

Freakin' AMAZING!!??

Steve
I don't see anything wrong with teaching creationism so long as it is posed as a theory just as the Big Bang theory is taught. What are you afraid of here? It doesn't have to be taught from a relious pov. Just like one can teach the Muslim religion within its historical context, one can teach Christianity in the same way.

The only people that wish to ban ideas are the ones who are afraid they may take root and differ with what they see as the almighty truth.
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