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Old 10-20-2010, 04:19 PM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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Something occured to me, just bear with me,

Lets pick a state. Any state. Just for fun lets say Nebraska (but insert whatever state you like). Lets say its decided that there is really no seperation of church and state. The christians institute prayer in school.

What if over the next 2 decades between immigration and conversion, a large portion of Muslims became elected into office and managed to have a majority of the legislature (I know its way unlikely, but bare with me).

Now lets say they decide to institute islamic prayer in schools. All public schools now pray to Allah multiple times per day.

In that scenario what do you think the Christian population would do? I'm guessing they would suddenly find separation of church and state or they'd move. (again this scenario is totally hypothetical, its just trying to make a point with an example, not arguing interpretation of a 200 year old piece of paper)

The point in this is to show that it seems like a great idea when you're in the majority......but what about the minority........and if we aren't protecting the rights of minority, are we really for freedom?
You are much too logical for this discussion. Remember, this thread is about Christine O'Donnell and her interpretation of the Constitution and how our Courts work in relation to that. Logic need not apply.
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Old 10-20-2010, 04:22 PM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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not a problem, i make that mistake from time to time also.



no, that only means that congress CANNOT establish a state religion. for instance congress could not establish the church of the united states. that is all the first amendment means in regards to religion.



i agree to a point. however there are times when one needs to stand their ground when it is the right thing to do. take kerry and his vote for the iraq war for instance. instead of him saying i voted for the $87 billion before i voted against it(regarding the war spending bill) what he should have said is something more like, i regret my vote for the war on these reasons, and then list the reasons. that would have pretty much ended the talk of flip flopping on his part.

in the end it isnt that you change your mind, but what you say about changing your mind.

Generally agree. As far as the whole $87 billion war spending bill, Kerry explained it very poorly. He voted for the original $87 billion in committee. The bill in Committee called for stronger accounting practices for companies getting government contracts as well as stiffer penalties including being banned from governmental contracts if certain rules weren't followed (remember that particular funding bill took place during the time when some of Halliburton's over charging of the military and $$ unaccounted for came out). The Bush administration objected, and the tougher accounting language that was in the bill during committee was removed at the last minute before the finl vote took place. Kerry voted no in protest of that change. He should have explained that much better than what he did, however of course everything now is sound byte related, and that kind of detailed response would not have made a good soundbyte.
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Old 10-20-2010, 04:24 PM
 
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Generally agree. As far as the whole $87 billion war spending bill, Kerry explained it very poorly. He voted for the original $87 billion in committee. The bill in Committee called for stronger accounting practices for companies getting government contracts as well as stiffer penalties including being banned from governmental contracts if certain rules weren't followed (remember that particular funding bill took place during the time when some of Halliburton's over charging of the military and $$ unaccounted for came out). The Bush administration objected, and the tougher accounting language that was in the bill during committee was removed at the last minute before the finl vote took place. Kerry voted no in protest of that change. He should have explained that much better than what he did, however of course everything now is sound byte related, and that kind of detailed response would not have made a good soundbyte.
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Old 10-20-2010, 04:26 PM
 
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You are much too logical for this discussion. Remember, this thread is about Christine O'Donnell and her interpretation of the Constitution and how our Courts work in relation to that. Logic need not apply.
While she is the cause of the discussion, shouldn't the discussion as well be about the kind of policies we want leaders to implement? O'Donnell may not apply to many of us, but what about Palin? What about some of the other talking heads out there? Do we really want those kind of policies in our lives? What happens with the future?

Now about O'Donnell, I watched that debate segment. She asked multiple times about the constitution and amendments, then looks out to the audience that gasps and whispers and she smiles and giggles at them. This woman looked like a cheerleader running for class president that was expecting to win because she's popular and pretty. She appears to know nothing about the constitution and thinks its funny. She didn't know the other amendments that the TEA party wants to repeal, and the whole time she thought it was a joke. Thats the vibe I got from her.

If I lived in Delaware, part of my choice would be easy; not her. She's not me.
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Old 10-20-2010, 04:32 PM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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So true! She is nothing more than a circus act...and she knows it.
Oh, does she really? I've heard some of what she has to say ... from her ... not what someone else has said that she said.

She has a lot on the ball. She is a smart woman. Now I ask you, have you ever heard Pelosi? Barbara Boxer? Just to name two. Now these women are stupid!! Not so, Christine O'Donnell.
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Old 10-20-2010, 04:33 PM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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While she is the cause of the discussion, shouldn't the discussion as well be about the kind of policies we want leaders to implement? O'Donnell may not apply to many of us, but what about Palin? What about some of the other talking heads out there? Do we really want those kind of policies in our lives? What happens with the future?

Now about O'Donnell, I watched that debate segment. She asked multiple times about the constitution and amendments, then looks out to the audience that gasps and whispers and she smiles and giggles at them. This woman looked like a cheerleader running for class president that was expecting to win because she's popular and pretty. She appears to know nothing about the constitution and thinks its funny. She didn't know the other amendments that the TEA party wants to repeal, and the whole time she thought it was a joke. Thats the vibe I got from her.

If I lived in Delaware, part of my choice would be easy; not her. She's not me.
I agree with you. O'Donnell is not a danger but, there are several other similarly incompetent candidates that may actually wind up in office. That is scary and why I am doing my best to get as many people out to vote as possible and countering some of the lies people I know are hearing. Unfortunately, in Florida we are very likely going to send one of those incompetents to the Senate.
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Old 10-20-2010, 04:39 PM
 
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I agree with you. O'Donnell is not a danger but, there are several other similarly incompetent candidates that may actually wind up in office. That is scary and why I am doing my best to get as many people out to vote as possible and countering some of the lies people I know are hearing. Unfortunately, in Florida we are very likely going to send one of those incompetents to the Senate.
Its not fair to simply generalize them as incompetents. Some of their points are legitimate.

When you do that, its just like those who generalize with liberals. It also gives extremists momentum.

All it creates is partisanship, extremism on both sides and people who expect that they get their way all the time no matter how it affects others. (now there's some entitlement!)
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Old 10-20-2010, 04:47 PM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Huh??? Dark Ages? It seems to me it is the Democrat Party (Prgressives) they keep wanting to return to the failed policies of Marxism, Socialism. When will they ever learn? Our system, our Republid, as established by our founders, was an advancement in mans history! What are you missing? Freedom! Has there ever been a country more free than the United States of America? No, there has not!

Question answered.
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Old 10-20-2010, 04:51 PM
 
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Huh??? Dark Ages? It seems to me it is the Democrat Party (Prgressives) they keep wanting to return to the failed policies of Marxism, Socialism. When will they ever learn? Our system, our Republid, as established by our founders, was an advancement in mans history! What are you missing? Freedom! Has there ever been a country more free than the United States of America? No, there has not!

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you are correct that there has not been a country more free than the US, but our form of government is hardly an advancement in mans history. the roman empire had a similar form of government, as did the greeks at one time.
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Old 10-20-2010, 05:02 PM
 
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Huh??? Dark Ages? It seems to me it is the Democrat Party (Prgressives) they keep wanting to return to the failed policies of Marxism, Socialism. When will they ever learn? Our system, our Republid, as established by our founders, was an advancement in mans history! What are you missing? Freedom! Has there ever been a country more free than the United States of America? No, there has not!

Question answered.
I don't think America is the utopia that you paint it. Yes I agree we have a lot of great things, however we are going to be overtaken by a communist country (China) if we don't start watching ourselves.

I do think we are capable of being self subsistant as a country and should work to be that way, so we as a nation are not dependent on the whims of other nations.

All of this is a different thread though. This thread is regarding the separation of church and state, not capitalism propaganda.
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