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Old 10-20-2010, 04:08 PM
 
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I have NO DOUBT that Iran will make a nuke....just a matter of time.
Iran has been stalling and stonewalling for years with "negotiations", to buy themselves the time they need, to complete the task.
Don't delude yourself into thinking, the Iran's Nuclear Program is peaceful.
Israel would be target #1, for an Iranian nuke.

Steve
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Old 10-20-2010, 04:33 PM
 
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Mark Helprin: Why Israel Needs the Bomb - WSJ.com

Thoughts? Opinions?

Seems to me that the Wall Street Journal is pretty much just the newspaper version of Fox News these days.
just to let you know, the wall street journal has been around much longer than fox has been, and the wsj has always leaned conservative.

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One side having complete military superiority is never going to lead to peace in the Middle East. The reason the United States and the Soviet Union were able to maintain peace was that they had "Mutually Assured Destruction." To say that Israel needs the bomb and the Muslim countries of the Middle East do not is just racist
first you have to prove that israel has a nuclear weapon. they have never admitted to having one.

as for the US and the soviet union, the peace would have been maintained even if the soviets never got a nuclear weapon, since we had it and would likely never use it again once we knew what it was capable of doing. when the soviets detonated their first nuclear device, we then had to enter into the MAD treaty with the russians. if iran ever gets s nuclear weapon, they will very likely use it themselves, or let one of their puppet terrorist organizations use it.
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Old 10-20-2010, 04:45 PM
 
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The reason Israel has atomic weapons is to keep us from invading. We do not invade countries with atomic weapons; we only invade countries without them. Even then we lose because we wind up fighting the entire populations and not just their armies. Vietnam and Afghanistan are examples. Grenada is not because the people didn't care.
LOLs. The United States has over 200 nuclear weapons that we keep in Israel. This isn't even a big secret.

Are you saying Israel keeps U.S. weapons so that the U.S. doesn't invade them? LOLs.
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Old 10-20-2010, 04:50 PM
 
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When you rely on the MAD concept, your're assigning the rationality of the other governments to the radical Iranian leadership. You're saying that there is nothing to fear because the mullahs will not use their nukes due to the fear of mutual destruction. Well, read the relevant paragraph in the linked article:
"Fundamentally, a nuclear Iran represents a unique threat. The fear of mutually assured destruction has long restrained other nuclear powers. There is a real risk that the Iranian leadership is not rational, that driven by its mad hatreds, it will act in ways that are unreasonable, even self-destructive. Anti-Americanism is a cornerstone of the ideology of this Islamic state. The virulence of Iran's hostility is impervious to reason. "Death to America!" has provoked the Iranian street for over a quarter of a century and is the venom upon which an entire generation of Iranians has been raised. The dominant Ayatollah Ali Khamenei reiterates that Iran's differences with America are more fundamental than political differences. Whatever may happen to the leadership over time, the inescapable fact is that the United States just cannot take the risk of nuclear missiles in the hands of a clerical regime that preaches genocide. It is pathetic that appeasement continues to beguile."
The World Cannot Live With the Threat of a Nuclear Iran - US News and World Report
And again, unlike the current nuclear powers, their worldview is dominated by an apoctlyptic religious vision:
Extra - WSJ.com

There is a significant risk that the MAD (mutually assured destruction) doctrine which applied in the cold war will not deter a group which sees itself obligated to fullfill the radical tenets of its religion. The radical Islamists in Iran must be stopped in the quest for nuclear weaponization.
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Old 10-20-2010, 04:55 PM
 
Location: Columbus
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When you rely on the MAD concept, your're assigning the rationality of the other governments to the radical Iranian leadership. You're saying that there is nothing to fear because the mullahs will not use their nukes due to the fear of mutual destruction. Well, read the relevant paragraph in the linked article:

And again, unlike the current nuclear powers, their worldview is dominated by an apoctlyptic religious vision:

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When was the last time Iran invaded a country?
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Old 10-20-2010, 04:57 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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When was the last time Iran invaded a country?
Excellent question!
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Old 10-20-2010, 05:13 PM
 
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Excellent question!
I'm all for not letting Iran have a bomb.

But seriously. Has anyone looked at the state of their military? Even if they wanted to fight a war they couldn't. Their technology is about 1950s.

If they somehow get a bomb they won't have a way to deliver it. Much like N. Korea.

Iran wants a bomb for a couple reasons. Protects them from foreign invasion. Gets them political power at U.N type places. Lets them push around their neighbors.

They know if they ever droppped bombs on Isreal they would be dead in about 5 seconds. I suspect they paid attention to what happened in Bosnia, Kosovo and Iraq. And we weren't even provoked by any of those countries.

They may be crazy. They aren't suicidal.
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Old 10-20-2010, 05:18 PM
 
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Don't bet on that?
They aren't called EXTREMISTS for nothing.

Steve
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Old 10-20-2010, 05:23 PM
 
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When was the last time Iran invaded a country?
Iran has attacked many, many times. The Iranian proxy armies are financed, trained, militarily supplied, and directed by the mullahs. They are part of the Islamic Republic's military forces just as the Republican Guards are:
- The Islamic Republic created Hezbollah. Republican Guards are embedded within its ranks. Hezbollah is Iran. This Iranian proxy has attacked Israel many times, including starting a major war in 2006. It has showerd Israel's cities and towns with Iranian-supplied missiles.
The Iran-Hezbollah Alliance - The Israel Project

-Ditto for Hamas. It could not exist without Iran financing and weapons.
Hamas wages Iranís proxy war on Israel - Times Online

-The Islamic Republic is responsible for thousands of American casualties in Iraq:
Cox & Forkum: Iran's Proxy War
Iran's Proxy War Against the United States and Iraq | Institute for the Study of War
http://noblesseoblige.org/wordpress/...ories-located/
LiveLeak.com - Hezbollah Brigades in Iraq: IED on US Humvee, Canal Street Baghdad
U.S.: Iran helped in deadly Iraq strike - USATODAY.com
http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblog...k_for_iraq.asp
- Army News, news from Iraq, - Army Times

I've supported my reply with many sources, and there are many more.
A peace-loving, innocent Islamic Republic of Iran?

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They know if they ever droppped bombs on Isreal they would be dead in about 5 seconds. I suspect they paid attention to what happened in Bosnia, Kosovo and Iraq. And we weren't even provoked by any of those countries.

They may be crazy. They aren't suicidal.
You're assigning your own rationality to a regime with a very different mentality. See post #14.
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Old 10-20-2010, 05:37 PM
 
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Iran has attacked many, many times. The Iranian proxy armies are financed, trained, militarily supplied, and directed by the mullahs. They are part of the Islamic Republic's military forces just as the Republican Guards are:
- The Islamic Republic created Hezbollah. Republican Guards are embedded within its ranks. Hezbollah is Iran. This Iranian proxy has attacked Israel many times, including starting a major war in 2006. It has showerd Israel's cities and towns with Iranian-supplied missiles.
The Iran-Hezbollah Alliance - The Israel Project

-Ditto for Hamas. It could not exist without Iran financing and weapons.
Hamas wages Iran’s proxy war on Israel - Times Online

-The Islamic Republic is responsible for thousands of American casualties in Iraq:
Cox & Forkum: Iran's Proxy War
Iran's Proxy War Against the United States and Iraq | Institute for the Study of War
http://noblesseoblige.org/wordpress/...ories-located/
LiveLeak.com - Hezbollah Brigades in Iraq: IED on US Humvee, Canal Street Baghdad
U.S.: Iran helped in deadly Iraq strike - USATODAY.com
http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblog...k_for_iraq.asp
- Army News, news from Iraq, - Army Times

I've supported my reply with many sources, and there are many more.
A peace-loving, innocent Islamic Republic of Iran?


You're assigning your own rationality to a regime with a very different mentality. See post #14.
Either this is far reaching or we now know why Israel is pushing America to war with Iraq and Iran. If Iran is such a problem for Israel, let Israel deal with it.

Question: Was Iran a problem in Iraq before America invaded and took down Saddam?
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