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Old 10-20-2010, 11:45 AM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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Can you actually argue the point? Or just crack jokes?

Note the same "living document" folks will argue the preamble has no legal authority at the same time they hold to an imagined right to privacy and supposed exclusion of religious persons and organizations from all things political.
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Old 10-20-2010, 12:04 PM
Status: "Elect a clown? Expect a circus!" (set 18 hours ago)
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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People know that...the liberals just want to have their own twisted one sided interpretation of things accepted as law...everyone knows why this was written into the Constitution due to England being in bed with the Church, etc and what the founders intent was. But liberals use it to take away our traditions like Christmas, and religious expressions and freedoms under the guise of freedom. But we all know it is BS..well anyone with a brain that is...
The BS is the allegation anyone has taken away your " traditions like Christmas, and religious expressions and freedoms "
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Old 10-20-2010, 12:05 PM
 
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Separation of Church and State - The Metaphor and the Constitution
"Separation of church and state" is a common metaphor that is well recognized. Equally well recognized is the metaphorical meaning of the church staying out of the state's business and the state staying out of the church's business. Because of the very common usage of the "separation of church and state phrase," most people incorrectly think the phrase is in the constitution. The phrase "wall of separation between the church and the state" was originally coined by Thomas Jefferson in a letter to the Danbury Baptists on January 1, 1802. His purpose in this letter was to assuage the fears of the Danbury, Connecticut Baptists, and so he told them that this wall had been erected to protect them. The metaphor was used exclusively to keep the state out of the church's business, not to keep the church out of the state's business.

Separation Of Church And State
Separation of church and state in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
What's your opinion on the Lemon test?
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Old 10-20-2010, 12:06 PM
 
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The phrase isn't in the constitution.

The principle is.
On the contrary.. When the Constitution was written, states sponsored NUMEROUS churches.
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Old 10-20-2010, 12:09 PM
 
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On the contrary.. When the Constitution was written, states sponsored NUMEROUS churches.
Yeah, but the 14th Amendment incorporated the principle to the states.
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Old 10-20-2010, 12:14 PM
 
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Exactly.. Which makes the liberals crying about government spending money on things like funding of vouchers etc based upon seperation of church and state just a ridiculous argument.

Huh?? I don't follow your argument (well, really it's just you conclusion) at all.
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Old 10-20-2010, 12:15 PM
 
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So, if you anti-separation people are correct, what's your goal? To have states establishing state religions? What exactly is it that you want that you feel you don't have?
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Old 10-20-2010, 12:16 PM
 
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Better question, why are you trying to turn this into a relgion thread when the topic is about the Constitution. You might feel cool slamming those with different beliefs than you but I assure you that your not..
Thank you for getting the thread back on topic. I wanted to call the thread " Stupid people call Christine O'Donnell stupid. I did not.
I hope many people will read the Constitution today .
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Old 10-20-2010, 12:17 PM
 
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I'm still looking for the Constitutional authorization of an Air Force. Don't dare tell me "the principle is there," I'm talking about the exact words "Air Force"!
I know - these Constitutional literalists are ridiculous (kind of like Bible literalists).
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Old 10-20-2010, 12:19 PM
 
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Bascailly the language is only to prevent the state from establishing its own religion and protect religions form the state. Not the other way around. The state moving against relgion ansd establishing a stae religion was what they had witnessed in europe.
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