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Old 10-23-2010, 12:35 AM
 
Location: Tennessee
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Up front, this is not a post about illegal immigration so please don't turn it into one. If it was, it would be in the sub-forum. This is about the clusterbleep of our government: federal government organizations getting in the way of another federal government organization because of a too big government and government red tape.

"A new audit report by the Government Accountability Office (GAO) found that 'Border Patrol's access to portions of some federal lands along the southwestern border has been limited because of certain land management laws,' according to patrol agents-in-charge for 17 of 26 Border Patrol stations responsible for patrolling federal southwest borderlands. The consequence of this problem, GAO found, is that there have been 'delays and restrictions in agents' patrolling and monitoring these lands. Specifically, patrol agents-in-charge for 14 of the 17 stations reported that they have been unable to obtain a permit or permission to access certain areas in a timely manner because of how long it takes for land managers to conduct required environmental and historic property assessments.'”

Homeland Security Today - preparedness and security news - Border Patrol Needs Quicker Access to Fed Lands (http://www.hstoday.us/content/view/15162/149/ - broken link)

Consider that all of the players here, including the investigators, are all government. If you read the article, you'll notice that you've got conflicts between Border Patrol and their own management as well as conflict between 3 different government departments and their agencies. So why does it take a GAO report to get them to react to a clusterbleep between Homeland Security and the Departments of the Interior and Agriculture? The only thing missing in the story is congressional reaction (after all, GAO works for them) to their own stupid laws and the red tape regulations that grew up around those laws.

"When operating on federal lands, Border Patrol has responsibilities under several federal land management laws (including the National Environmental Policy Act, National Historic Preservation Act, Wilderness Act, and Endangered Species Act) and must obtain permission or a permit from federal land management agencies before its agents can maintain roads and install surveillance equipment on these lands." (same link)

Did you ever think you'd live to see the day when environmental laws/historical preservation laws and regulations got in the way of drug trafficking and human trafficking law enforcement?

The story is on a Homeland Security Insight and Analysis webpage.
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Old 10-23-2010, 05:07 AM
 
Location: Texas
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That's outrageous, but not totally unexpected.

The DHS was quickly cobbled together from various agencies which already had missions of their own and it's been a near total clustbleep since the beginning. It started life with overlapping areas of responsibility, a mission it could not adequately address with the confusing lines of authority and without a strong, guiding hand at the wheel who could, or would, act independently from the existing political structure at the time.

Having said that, there is a corrective available and it should be used post haste.

However, with the impending election, that won't happen tomorrow. And, if people vote the opposition party into control of even one House of Congress next week, it won't happen within the next two years either. While I'm among those who believe our liberties are more secure when neither party has total control, the downside of that is that a gridlocked Congress often finds itself unable to respond even to real challenges and real issues in a timely manner.

I predict this will be one such example.
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Old 10-23-2010, 06:39 AM
 
Location: Dallas
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A grid locked congress would be the best thing we could have.

The best way to fix DHS is to totally eliminate it.
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Old 10-23-2010, 07:12 AM
 
Location: Texas
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A grid locked congress would be the best thing we could have.

The best way to fix DHS is to totally eliminate it.
Agreed.
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Old 10-23-2010, 07:20 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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The government is so bloated it cannot operate anymore in any timely manner.
They've let agencies define their own rules and their own forms and don't even acknowledge forms outside of their own agency even though they are all government forms.

I'm sure you've all run into these issues..you get sent from one dept to another and each one has their own rules and don't accept those from other government depts.

Bloated government has to justify their existence and what better way then to have their own set of rules, procedures, policies, forms and employees to deal with it ?
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Old 10-23-2010, 07:23 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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A grid locked congress would be the best thing we could have.

The best way to fix DHS is to totally eliminate it.
Agreed. DHS was a "fix" to the 9-11 problem of non communication between agencies. Did it fix anything ? Nope..just added another layer of non communication along with more government employees.

Got to love how the government jumps in to solve problems before the problems are actually analyzed. And they didn't even fix the problem..just threw another layer of government over it.

We see the same crap happening all over. Regulators regulating the regulators who aren't doing their jobs to begin with.
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Old 10-23-2010, 10:23 AM
 
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How true, the only thing more messed up than the US government is corporate america !
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Old 10-23-2010, 11:56 AM
 
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Did you ever think you'd live to see the day when environmental laws/historical preservation laws and regulations got in the way of drug trafficking and human trafficking law enforcement?
given the rules that have been set up by the government, it had to happen that government agencies would get in each others way. this is the problem with excessive regulations, not only does it hurt business, but it hurts government, especially law enforcement, as well.

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The government is so bloated it cannot operate anymore in any timely manner.
They've let agencies define their own rules and their own forms and don't even acknowledge forms outside of their own agency even though they are all government forms.

I'm sure you've all run into these issues..you get sent from one dept to another and each one has their own rules and don't accept those from other government depts.

Bloated government has to justify their existence and what better way then to have their own set of rules, procedures, policies, forms and employees to deal with it ?
this is exactly why we need to eliminate regulations, and government agencies, and streamline government.
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