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Old 10-25-2010, 11:30 AM
 
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You mean like Bush and Cheney?...
I'll bite, what part of the Bush/Cheney/Republican deficits were worse than Obamas?

First as a % of GDP..


Now $ figure

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Your source, cnsnews, took as its source the Congressional Budget Office's Monthly Review for FY 2010.

Did you read the reasons why costs were higher this year?

Here's a link to the original report: http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/119xx/doc...ptemberMBR.pdf
Media Research Center, try to trick its readers?
What part of your response was supposed to dispute the source?
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Just look at their slogan...

"The Right News, Right Now"... LOL
That the best you can do? Cant dispute the facts so you have to attack the source? Typical.
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Old 10-25-2010, 11:31 AM
 
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Debt has increased with 3 trillion since Obama took office mostly because of falling tax revenus as a result of the economic downturn and because of war spending in Aghanistan and Iraq.
Wrong.. war spending is less than 10% of the deficits, and they havent increased since Obama took office. You could blame war spending if they were new spending, but we all know its not.
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Old 10-25-2010, 11:32 AM
 
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Wrong.. war spending is less than 10% of the deficits, and they havent increased since Obama took office. You could blame war spending if they were new spending, but we all know its not.
So that means there's less spending under Obama...
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Old 10-25-2010, 11:37 AM
 
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So that means there's less spending under Obama...
Wrong.. war spending continues..
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Old 10-25-2010, 11:38 AM
 
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Wrong.. war spending continues..
But you're not admitting there's less war spending...
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Old 10-25-2010, 11:58 AM
 
Location: New York City
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Prescription drug spending.. I agree with you completely. Shouldnt have passed but Democrats whined and complained about how the poor couldnt pay for their prescriptions. Hillary Clinton herself said she knew someone that had to choose between buying their prescriptions, or eating dog food..

Democrats opposed it when Bush proposed it but they were shouting for it under Clinton. Another 180 flip...
The Democrats wanted it but didn't pass it because they couldn't find the funding. Bush couldn't find the funding either but passed it anyway (with Cheney as the deciding vote). He was desparate to get all of the seniors in Florida on his side for the 2004 election.

The Democrats were being responsible by not adding to the debt. Bush didn't care.
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Old 10-25-2010, 11:58 AM
 
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And where did the National Debt go from 2000 through 2008?...

5,674,178,209,886.86 to 10,024,724,896,912.49

That's not even including Q4 2008...
Yep. That was alot. Bush was a fiscal liberal.

However, he is an amatuer compared to Obama. If Obama was in office for eight years, he would have racked up $14 trillion- 3-4X what Bush did.

Obama certainly makes Bush look like a fiscal conservative.
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Old 10-25-2010, 12:05 PM
 
Location: South Fla
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The large bulk of the rise of the current debt is made upp of war spending in Afghanistan an costs for the reconstruction of Iraq in combination with falling tax revenues as a result of the economic downturn and Bushes tax cuts.
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Old 10-25-2010, 12:07 PM
 
Location: South Fla
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All of the post and none directed at Pelosi and how she lied
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Old 10-25-2010, 12:30 PM
 
Location: New York City
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What are you smoking? The Democrats have waived paygo for EVERY SINGLE BILL passed since its inception. Their budgets are so bad that they decided they simply wont PASS one for 2011..
All debt is not equal. The reason for the debt is as important as the actual figure. What Pelosi was talking about was new, unfunded mandates.

The debt is:

New unfunded mandates, like prescription drugs;
Emergency and extraordinary funding, like the war and the stimulus; and
Shortfalls due the decreased revenue.

Suppose you buy a very expensive car that you can't really afford. The monthly payments are an unfunded mandate. If you start putting your car payments on your credit card, you're going to run into trouble very quickly. This is what Pelosi vowed to prevent, unlike Bush.

Now, suppose the plumbing your house starts to leak and need to be replaced immediately. This is an emergency event. Taking on debt and paying it off slowly is a reasonable acts because the long-term effects would be much worse than if you did nothing.

Now supposed you get laid off (a decrease in revenue). Your unemployment benefit doesn't cover the cost of your mortgage. Do you sell your house and move because of a temporary loss? You could, and it might even be a good idea in certain circumstances. However, it's also acceptable to take on debt to cover a short term loss.

The reason for the debt changes radically in each instance. Many people are getting worked up over the debt without thinking about the different types of debt.
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