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Old 11-09-2010, 04:47 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Yet what did Obama actually DO?

Actions speak louder than words.

He gave out CORPORATE WELFARE to corporate entities who are supposedly "too big to fail" out of everyone's tax dollars via TARP ... what kind of SOCIALISM is that? It sure as heck doesn't have anything to do with capitalism ... capitalism means "sink or swim" and if you can't swim, well too bad, you deserve to be out of business.

Obama's actions are typical of a political puppet of the corporate elite:

Socialism and giveaways of taxpayer cash to = corporate elite (which ensured that their multi-million dollar bonuses weren't interrupted)

Sink or swim "capitalism" = for everyone else, who has to pay for the corporate socialism.
Exactly right. He was ripe for the picking, IMO. I've thought this was a plan to get him elected, at least six years ago, when I first saw him at the Democratic Convention as keynote speaker. I actually think it was before that.
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Old 11-09-2010, 06:23 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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We are the sane, logical thinking, productive, tax paying, work ethic having, voting citizens of the United States of America. You may have seen a few of us at the polls for the midterm elections, we were the people who destroyed the liberal's plans to continue killing this country.
Excuse me? Are you implying that anyone who thinks differently than you is not sane, does not thnk logically, isn't productive, doesn't pay taxes, doesn't have a work ethic, doesn't vote? You have a lot of nerve. I. . . don't. . . think. . . so!
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Old 11-09-2010, 07:44 PM
 
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We are the sane, logical thinking, productive, tax paying, work ethic having, voting citizens of the United States of America. You may have seen a few of us at the polls for the midterm elections, we were the people who destroyed the liberal's plans to continue killing this country.
Pfft, you really are deep into it, aren't you? Talk about black-and-white thinking.

Liberals baaad. Conservatives gooood. Brain deeeaaad.
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Old 11-09-2010, 08:13 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Pfft, you really are deep into it, aren't you? Talk about black-and-white thinking.

Liberals baaad. Conservatives gooood. Brain deeeaaad.
OK, what happened to liberals? That's what I'd like to know. They used to be a lot more moderate, if not outright conservative. As someone may have pointed out, Kennedy would've been a Republican if he lived now, and cast his ballot against Obama.
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Old 11-09-2010, 08:23 PM
 
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OK, what happened to liberals? That's what I'd like to know. They used to be a lot more moderate, if not outright conservative. As someone may have pointed out, Kennedy would've been a Republican if he lived now, and cast his ballot against Obama.
What happend to conservatives? That's what I'd like to know. They used to be a lot more moderate, if not outright progressive. As someone may have pointed out, Roosevelt would've been a Democrat, if he lived now, and cast his ballot against McCain.

Works both ways.
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Old 11-09-2010, 08:53 PM
 
Location: West Texas
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OK, what happened to liberals? That's what I'd like to know. They used to be a lot more moderate, if not outright conservative.
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What happend to conservatives? That's what I'd like to know. They used to be a lot more moderate, if not outright progressive.
The answer to both questions is quite simple. Democrats progressed, while Republicans regressed.
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Old 11-09-2010, 09:50 PM
 
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The answer to both questions is quite simple. Democrats progressed, while Republicans regressed.
Well, we need fewer Rinos and more real conservatives, I'll give you that. People who really do want to defend our borders, and not think in terms of open borders, citizens of the world, and all that crap.
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Old 11-09-2010, 10:29 PM
 
Location: West Texas
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Well, we need fewer Rinos and more real conservatives, I'll give you that.
I don't mind seeing "real conservatives" in presidential or congressional races. Just for entertainment purposes, plus they keep Democrats alert, but to see those ass-clowns with an intellect of sand fleas having any type of real power (legislative is bad enough, let alone executive) - god forbid! Especially in a country like ours.
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Old 11-09-2010, 10:34 PM
 
Location: West Texas
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People who really do want to defend our borders, and not think in terms of open borders, citizens of the world, and all that crap.
In other words the ones who will continue to fight windmills with a persistence of Don Quixote?

Yet another poor victim of the Republican Nazi propaganda
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Old 11-10-2010, 12:40 AM
 
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And he shouldn't have. For most people it was a tiny amount of money that they actually "saved" with his tax cuts.
Still cut.

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I knew that already:

http://www.city-data.com/forum/16576850-post46.html

No personal attacks necessary, pal. My problem was with Obama actually carrying it out.
Of course. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

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I think the TARP money should have been more geared towards helping out actual people instead of corporations.
Trickle-down economics is a conservative policy, I'm surprised you don't support it more.

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It's really all a joke. Look at the big impetus put on "green" industries and "creating green jobs" with subsequent incentives for doing so ... there's just one little tiny thing they "forgot" to put in that one. It should have said the incentives would go to companies who created jobs in the USA. But nah. As I type this, companies are racking up the big incentives for creating manufacturing jobs outside the USA ... case in point: wind turbines being manufactured in China.
Green tech and building our future around a green industry makes long term fiscal sense because it allows the nation to be self-sufficient in terms of energy and resource use. Granted, we will always need to import\export many resources simply because we can't harvest, grow, or mine certain resources in the U.S., but interacting with the global community is hardly a bad thing. Being entirely reliant on a specific factor of the global community is.

Outsourcing provides economical booms to developing nations. Our economy has been shifting slowly towards a technology, sciences, and services economy. Manufacturing--like agriculture, is no longer a base for our economy. What needs to happen is the for the government to take charge and began serious subsidies of green-tech and green-industries. We have the technology and power to turn ourselves oil independent in ten years--but we won't because the infrastructure isn't there, the government isn't leading the way with incentives towards building that infrastructure, and no Big Oil is going to touch Green-Tech as long as they can make profits off combusted gasoline.

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Well, we need fewer Rinos and more real conservatives, I'll give you that. People who really do want to defend our borders, and not think in terms of open borders, citizens of the world, and all that crap.
What does that even mean? Rinos? What determines a RINO from a "real conservative." More importantly, from what are we "defending our borders?" What's wrong with pluralism, open borders, or freedom-of-movement? Why is that "crap?"
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