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Old 11-10-2010, 12:04 PM
 
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Why does the U.S. Goverment continue to lie to the American people on so many different matters and events, both past and present. No need to get into any specific lies, because the laundry list is just too long. Plus, everybody knows what lies the Government has told us. The U.S. is suppose to have an open society with an honest Goverment, but I'm now starting to belive that the U.S. Government lies to its citizens more than some of the most corrupt Governments in the world.
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Old 11-10-2010, 12:10 PM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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Probably the same amount.

If the government says something, I assume it's a lie.
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Old 11-10-2010, 03:03 PM
 
Location: San Diego California
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Probably the same amount.

If the government says something, I assume it's a lie.
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Old 11-10-2010, 03:30 PM
 
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Since we the people are the government we must lie to ourselves and live in a constant state of denial. To repeat this pattern or accept it as normal would seem to make such a society mentally ill.
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Old 11-10-2010, 03:43 PM
 
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Why does the U.S. Goverment continue to lie to the American people on so many different matters and events, both past and present. No need to get into any specific lies, because the laundry list is just too long. Plus, everybody knows what lies the Government has told us. The U.S. is suppose to have an open society with an honest Goverment, but I'm now starting to belive that the U.S. Government lies to its citizens more than some of the most corrupt Governments in the world.
Your personal feelings expressed in a public forum, just another perk that comes with living in this country.....

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No need to get into any specific lies, because the laundry list is just too long.
Oh please, you don't have to give us a huge list, four or five lies would be sufficient.... In fact let me help you start the list:

1. There are no illegal aliens in America
2. The government doesn't waste any money
3. ?????? <--- please continue here

Does the government lie? I'm sure it does but to say it hoodwinks it's citizens like North Korea or China or Venezuela does is stretching it.
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Old 11-10-2010, 04:49 PM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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Since we the people are the government we must lie to ourselves and live in a constant state of denial. To repeat this pattern or accept it as normal would seem to make such a society mentally ill.
The idea that the government is of the people is one of the biggest lies of them all. The government is controlled by the elite. If you're not part of it, you're not part of government.
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Old 11-10-2010, 04:51 PM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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Your personal feelings expressed in a public forum, just another perk that comes with living in this country.....



Oh please, you don't have to give us a huge list, four or five lies would be sufficient.... In fact let me help you start the list:

1. There are no illegal aliens in America
2. The government doesn't waste any money
3. We didn't have troops in Laos or Cambodia.
4. Iraq has WMDs.
5. We're here to help you.


Does the government lie? I'm sure it does but to say it hoodwinks it's citizens like North Korea or China or Venezuela does is stretching it.
added 3, 4, and 5 for you.
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Old 11-10-2010, 06:49 PM
 
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Why does the U.S. Goverment continue to lie to the American people on so many different matters and events, both past and present. No need to get into any specific lies, because the laundry list is just too long. Plus, everybody knows what lies the Government has told us. The U.S. is suppose to have an open society with an honest Goverment, but I'm now starting to belive that the U.S. Government lies to its citizens more than some of the most corrupt Governments in the world.
An interesting question that is most likely only something that can be speculated upon, but still, fun to ponder.

Look at the first definition given.

Definition of GOVERNMENT
1
: the act or process of governing; specifically : authoritative direction or control

Now in a dictatorship or Monarchy, where there is either supreme rule by a single person or family or like, there would seem to be less reasoning to lie to its people, as after all, you have supreme authority and control over those you govern. To the extent the population begins to get angry, it isn't hard to toss them a bone to sate the masses. To those who do not, then you end up with a coup or some form of revolution.

However in democratic forms of government where individuals have far more rights and influence on who gets to govern them, the lie or a created myth would seem prudent.

Mass populations often act a bit like a school of fish and are generally a reactive thing responding to various stimuli. Yet even still there are cycles of individualism and collectivism that modulate back and forth. Take the 1950's for instance, it was a very conformist era, "The man in the gray flannel suit" as opposed to the 1960's where it was "don't let the man tell you what to do, you're free dude", later in the 80's you saw an amalgam of "The ME generation" that all wore the same styles, paisley shirts and thin ties and flock of seagulls hair.

So if you have to govern a mass population, you need the population to follow and obey your governing. You can do this by force, coercion, or asking for volunteers. Now if you wanted to say, start a war with Widget Nation, but the people were reluctant, you would need to create a myth or narrative in order to get public opinion on your side. This is easy to do through repetition, type of content, appeals to authority, etc...

This is in fact what governing is, the exercise of control over a population by a governing body. What if this government used a lie or myth to do a good thing contrary to consensus intuition? Would it still be a bad thing?

What would be the results of telling mass populations the truth when the bulk of humanity would rather live in the construct of life as they have come to believe it, as opposed to the cognitive dissonance of knowing certain truths that would conflict with deeply held personal beliefs? Some people would rather live in the matrix than to live in reality, because life is tough and it isn't always pretty.
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