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Old 11-14-2010, 06:59 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Please don't presume to put me in your little pro-Obama box where you try to fit everyone who doesn't think like you do. My eyes are still open and so is my mind.

I did support Obama, and still do, but I'm not blind to his failures and, in fact, am heartily disappointed in him so far. I've argued since the election that he deserved a chance (rather than give the Bush team another opportunity to totally destroy us) and he did get his chance.

So far, he's failed. He's got two more years though and, unlike you Obamaphobes, I'm still willing to give him what's left of his chance for the good of nation. He may yet learn how to lead. In any case, unless some brainless moron decides to take matters into his own hands and "end" the Obama presidency, he'll still be our President for another two years and I'm of the opinion that the political opposition ought to help him to address the real, critical problems which face this country right now, rather than sell us down the tubes for political advantage in 2012.

Sadly, getting rid of Obama seems to be their only objective, and one which enjoys wide support from those who care more about their party or their ideologies than they do this country and our future.
And how on earth does this pertain to our smackdown at the G20 ?
We fired up the printing presses against the wishes of all the other countries.
We wanted other countries to stand behind us and smack down China and no one stood behind us.

Do you see that our economic policies are not being well received around the world ? Do you also see that we don't carry the weight we used to ?

It has NOTHING to do with Obama. It's the US economic policies being run by Uncle Ben printing up dollars in his basement.
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Old 11-14-2010, 07:03 PM
 
Location: NC
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No, he took that shellacking at the polls because he allowed the GOP to make him the subject of the election, just as his party had made George Bush the issue in 2008.

When the GOP and their supporters opened the anti-Obama campaign, before he was even elected, he never fought back, never challenged the birthers and the ones who labled him as a traitor or communist or socialist or any of the dozen other names they hung on him. He failed not only to respond, but to counter-attack, in essence leaving the GOP to define the terms of the debate and they chose HIM as the subject.

I don't know if that was because of his personal, non-combative nature or because of the advice he got, but the end result was the he left the field to the opposition, something any good soldier knows not to do.

So, to put it bluntly, what happened to him and his party last week was totally his fault for not fighting back.
I think the guy is in way over his head. However not getting dragged into the muck personally maybe his way of acting presidential? Kinda like Dumya did
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Old 11-14-2010, 07:25 PM
 
Location: Texas
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And how on earth does this pertain to our smackdown at the G20 ?
We fired up the printing presses against the wishes of all the other countries.
We wanted other countries to stand behind us and smack down China and no one stood behind us.

Do you see that our economic policies are not being well received around the world ? Do you also see that we don't carry the weight we used to ?

It has NOTHING to do with Obama. It's the US economic policies being run by Uncle Ben printing up dollars in his basement.
It has EVERYTHING to do with Obama!

Never doubt that the US is still THE major player in the world. Still the strongest economy; still the most powerful military; still the most admired country; still the place people want to come. The world still watches us as a predictor of the future and what we do here has ramifications far, far beyond our borders. It really doesn't matter much what specific economic and trade policies this administration adopts, or any other administration for that matter. The rest of the world will adapt eventually. Until we're no longer the most powerful nation, they'll have to, whether they want to or not.

In spite of that, though, we're steadily declining in power and authority and those who wish to take our place as the pre-imminent power (China), those who would like themselves to be more powerful than us (Europe) and those who wish to generate greater profits for themselves (global corporations and banks), have a vested interest in helping us along the path to second rate status. It's money and power in their pockets at our expense.

In the past few decades, with the connivance of our own administrations for the past 3 decades who have been essentially bought off by those interests, they've been succeeding in whittling us down.

Suddenly, from out of nowhere comes this guy who isn't in their pockets and who is attempting to re-assert our dominiance and they're scared s---less of him. His devaluing of the dollar, banking reforms, renegotiating of trade agreements which are not favorable to America, his desire to use the tax code to restrict the off-shoring of our jobs and other things have the potential to upset their apple cart and it's already costing them money and power.

Consequently, their friends in America swung into action in an attempt to weaken his standing in the world. They succeeded this month and our opponents took note. He went to India and the G-20 in a weakened position because of that and they felt they didn't have to deal with him. All they've got to do is wait him out as he appears not likely to win a second term. So, they agreed not to agree and put off any decisions until after 2012.

Like wolves circling a wounded prey, they think they've got him down and can finish him off in two years. They may very well be right.

In the meantime, though, the people of this country will suffer as the friends of China, international corporations and banks block anything this President will try to do, even if it would be good for America. In the end, if they succeed in retaking power, we'll suffer even more as they continue, and accelerate, the demise of the United States as a global power.
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Old 11-14-2010, 07:31 PM
 
Location: Out in the Badlands
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G-20 refuses to back US push on China's currency (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2010/11/10/financial/f003033S38.DTL - broken link)

Hmmm, seems the president is having difficulty reading the mood of not just the nation, but the world.
surprise, surprise, amateur hour in the White House.
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Old 11-14-2010, 07:32 PM
 
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It has EVERYTHING to do with Obama!

Never doubt that the US is still THE major player in the world. Still the strongest economy; still the most powerful military; still the most admired country; still the place people want to come. ...
Other than the "the most powerful military" which is a dubious trait, these are just feel good slogans and are not true anymore.
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Old 11-14-2010, 07:35 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Other than the "the most powerful military" which is a dubious trait, these are just feel good slogans and are not true anymore.
Not so. So far (China hasn't caught us just yet) we still produce more than any other nation and still provide more capital than anybody else. We are still the engine which drives the world economy.

As an example, Greece can fail and the effects of that will barely be felt. If WE fail, the whole world goes down with us.

ps: Our military is still the most powerful, but not nearly as powerful as it was before Bush and Rumsfeld ran it into the dirt. The same can be said of our international influence and our economy.
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Old 11-14-2010, 07:48 PM
 
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To put it even more bluntly, I don't know which is more pathetic...your reasoning that the problem is lack of fight. Or Obama/Pelosi's reasoning that the problem is a poor message (not poor policy).

It's not because he didn't come out fighting..because he made it perfectly clear that he was willing to expend bodies (Dems), capital and good will to get his policies through.
Poor messaging? From the great orator? After how many speeches, interviews, town halls, etc.?

No, the people got the message loud and clear. And soundly rejected it. And until those on the left can truly accept that, and adjust their agenda to one that Americans WANT, the left can look forward to a continuing series of defeats.
Yet some like Stillkit resort to "conspiracy theories".

They need to face the reality that Obobo has shown his true leadership qualifications in HD - and they are pitiful.

The Great orator is completely lost without a teleprompter, and millions of very gullible people bought the snake oil.
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Old 11-14-2010, 07:49 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Not so. So far (China hasn't caught us just yet) we still produce more than any other nation and still provide more capital than anybody else. We are still the engine which drives the world economy.

As an example, Greece can fail and the effects of that will barely be felt. If WE fail, the whole world goes down with us.

ps: Our military is still the most powerful, but not nearly as powerful as it was before Bush and Rumsfeld ran it into the dirt. The same can be said of our international influence and our economy.
Pssst..here's a secret. China will take over as #1 world economy in less than 2 years.
China is the engine and no country wants to get on China's bad side. That's why the US made no headway with China currency manipulation.

I know it's hard to swallow but no country can stay on top forever. We've run the full circle.
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Old 11-14-2010, 07:53 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Pssst..here's a secret. China will take over as #1 world economy in less than 2 years.
China is the engine and no country wants to get on China's bad side. That's why the US made no headway with China currency manipulation.

I know it's hard to swallow but no country can stay on top forever. We've run the full circle.
Yes, they will overtake us IF we don't do anything to prevent it, which is exactly what Obama was/is trying to do.

At least, he's trying a lot harder than the previous 4 administrations who didn't do much more than toss China the keys to the country.
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Old 11-14-2010, 07:53 PM
 
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ps: Our military is still the most powerful, but not nearly as powerful as it was before Bush and Rumsfeld ran it into the dirt. The same can be said of our international influence and our economy.
Darn shame that our military troops and leaders have no respect for Obobo.

At least the Bush administration cared for the troops and they knew he would never stoop so low as trying to railroad Navy Seals that gave a terrorist a bloody lip (thankfully all 4 were acquitted), or strive to provide "civil rights" to the enemy like Eric Holder/Obobo have done.
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