What exactly is your objection to the war in Iraq? (unemployment, Putin)

[bily4]

I was always against it, along with the 20% or so of our country at the time. I never felt easy about the WMD allegations...and even if there was WMD who said Saddam was going to be stupid enough to use it against us. Pakistan and India have WMDs and there are pleny of Muslims in those countries. North Korea has or is darn close and we try not to talk about them.
Also it always seemed pretty obvious to me that if you take out the government of a people that by nature all hate each other you are going to have issues. Nobody before or during the war even brought this up.
Now our presence there is a magnet and poster board for terrorists around the globe, draining our lives and dollars.
I have no problem with using military force where it makes sense...going after
al quaeda in Afghanistan seemed like a smart move and I supported that. Iraq was a stupid move.

[Sprinter]

Originally Posted by rd2007

I am against how it was run. I believe we should've been brutal and ruthless and this is what we are against us. Can't remember who said it, but it's basically don't bring a knife to a gunfight. These animals over there don't play by rules, don't answer to the public and could care less what the media says about them. We for some reason caved into the whackos and the media and tried to fight a war that would appease them. They're basically idiots that have no clue on military strategy and are the last people in the world you should listen to..

Now for the bush lied, soldiers died fanboys.. and the no WMD's, the only went there for oil and the rest of the clueless wonders..

BTW, I worked the counter terrorism mission for five years and am all for exterminating the islamists from the Earth..

Great post!

[Aqualung]

I am against this war because we are fighting both sides.

During WWII, American oil companies were selling oil to the Germans. Some American banks were also giving loans to the Germans, which the Germans were using to produce more military hardware. That was traitorous behavior.

Many of these terrorists are armed with weapons that were manufactured in the US. I even read a story, recently, where the US was actively arming Shias, so they'll fight against Al Qaeda. This is absolute madness. The management of this war is a complete joke. It's an embarassment.

As for the people who want to "exterminate the Muslims", good luck with that. You're no better than the Nazis.

[njkate]

Originally Posted by Mooseketeer

To invade a country under the flimsy guise of bringing them democracy and the pretext of some spurious link between Saddam and Al Quaeda is a pretty serious crime. Iraq never had WMDs , everybody knew that but the lure of huge reserves of oil was just too tempting... America believed it could kick butt in Iraq and were proven wrong in a spectacular fashion. The war was illegal and immoral and has caused so many American casualties and 650000 innocent civilians'deaths. It has made the US the most hated and ridiculed place on the planet and managed to bring Iran and Iraq closer which is a disaster for everyone. It has radicalised thousands of Muslims who were previously no threat at all to anybody and made the most secular Islamic Nation into a hotbed for fundamentalism. It has also meant gross breaches of human rights . The Iraq war is wrong on so many levels , it is amazing Bush got away with this kind of crime against humanity and not been impeached yet.
He lied to Americans, sent troops to be slaughtered , made a bad situation in the middle East about 500 times worse and contributed to the worldwide increase in terrorism. What a fantastic success for his administration. How on earth does he get away with it? He should bottle this kind of luck , and sell it...

Moose,
And was not your own Tony Blair part & parcel to this as well??
America could have kicked butt in Iraq if it was planned and executed properly..believe me at this point I am just as disgusted as you

[mhouse2001]

So, say the war supporters here got what you wanted. Say we were heartless and brutal and murdered millions like you claim you want. What then? Do you think the US would survive the wrath of the other 95% of the globe? Or do the opinions of others not affect you?

Most importantly, what if you're wrong? What if your depiction of these people is so far off base that it's not funny? What if you were purposefully induced to feel that way? What if the media and our government both acted together to not only create an enemy for you to hate, but funded their operations?

It wouldn't be the first time people were fooled and used. It wouldn't be the first time for enemies to be created for the purpose of thinning out the herds. The objective is to kill as many as possible to make controlling the remainder an easier task. Once you can put aside your hatred for these so called 'enemies' (and I know you probably consider me one), you'll be able to see things more clearly.

Humans are raped for their emotions. Get them riled up and they can do whatever evil deed you want. Use religion, use race, use nationalism, use whatever means necessary to get under their skin and make them think their opponents are not human. Why do you think human history repeats itself? Because so few are willing to look deep enough for the truth.

Sure, the truth won't make you comfortable. It won't even address that 'threat' you believe is real. Could it be that both sides are manipulated the same way? Gee, that would be a novel idea. We're all in this together. Time to wise up and assert what is our human heritage: the ability to think and feel freely, absent of the deliberate intentions of the evil and powerful among us.

[Rhett_Butler]

Originally Posted by mhouse2001

So, say the war supporters here got what you wanted. Say we were heartless and brutal and murdered millions like you claim you want. What then? Do you think the US would survive the wrath of the other 95% of the globe? Or do the opinions of others not affect you?

Most importantly, what if you're wrong? What if your depiction of these people is so far off base that it's not funny? What if you were purposefully induced to feel that way? What if the media and our government both acted together to not only create an enemy for you to hate, but funded their operations?

It wouldn't be the first time people were fooled and used. It wouldn't be the first time for enemies to be created for the purpose of thinning out the herds. The objective is to kill as many as possible to make controlling the remainder an easier task. Once you can put aside your hatred for these so called 'enemies' (and I know you probably consider me one), you'll be able to see things more clearly.

Humans are raped for their emotions. Get them riled up and they can do whatever evil deed you want. Use religion, use race, use nationalism, use whatever means necessary to get under their skin and make them think their opponents are not human. Why do you think human history repeats itself? Because so few are willing to look deep enough for the truth.

Sure, the truth won't make you comfortable. It won't even address that 'threat' you believe is real. Could it be that both sides are manipulated the same way? Gee, that would be a novel idea. We're all in this together. Time to wise up and assert what is our human heritage: the ability to think and feel freely, absent of the deliberate intentions of the evil and powerful among us.

Well, I'm not sure what others meant by that, but my version of it would be that we could make a LOT more headway if we weren't as concerned about peripheral casualties and just do what we have to do to find those we need to find. Doesn't mean advocating the slaughter of "Millions" of innocents either.

As far as the other 95% of the Globe??? Please tell me what China or Russia might have to say about it for starters. That's well over 5 % of the Globe right there.

[TXboomerang]

I was for the war and am still glad we removed Saddam, who proved that UN resolutions mean about as much as a turd floating in a toilet.

Only problem is our long term strategy. Nobody ever doubted (any smart person anyway) that we could go in and remove Saddam from power. The problem is the aftermath and the lack of a clear objective, and a lack of a clear interpretation to the people of America. The war has been over for a long time now. It is now only an occupation and a battle against terrorists, who are like the war on drugs. Sure you can stop some of it, but they will just keep coming.

I do think plenty of people are disillusioned in thinking we wanted their oil. For the money we have spent on the war, we could have purchased over half of Iraq's entire oil reserve. I think some people just want more reasons to whine about the war, which is odd when there are so many valid reasons with actual EVIDENCE to back them up. I guess some will always like conspiracy theories, and therefore I suppose Area 51 now has billions of gallons of Iraqi oil that America is secretly selling to the aliens from the Roswell area.

[bily4]

Originally Posted by VAFury

Well, I'm not sure what others meant by that, but my version of it would be that we could make a LOT more headway if we weren't as concerned about peripheral casualties and just do what we have to do to find those we need to find. Doesn't mean advocating the slaughter of "Millions" of innocents either.

As far as the other 95% of the Globe??? Please tell me what China or Russia might have to say about it for starters. That's well over 5 % of the Globe right there.

Again - we are not fighting a nation state. We are fighting a radical philosophy that has roots around the globe. So if we kill all the "peripherals" what we will get is not a nation state like China or Russia up against us, but thousands more mini-terrorists in diapers getting enrolled in Kill American Schools by thier parents all over the world. Bad move.

[Hawkeye48]

Originally Posted by tnbound2day

I do think plenty of people are disillusioned in thinking we wanted their oil.

I've never heard anyone say that we invaded Iraq because we wanted their oil. Now I've heard people say our military there helps stabilize the world's oil supply. But that's a different thing entirely.

[Rhett_Butler]

Originally Posted by bily4

Again - we are not fighting a nation state. We are fighting a radical philosophy that has roots around the globe. So if we kill all the "peripherals" what we will get is not a nation state like China or Russia up against us, but thousands more mini-terrorists in diapers getting enrolled in Kill American Schools by thier parents all over the world. Bad move.

Understood, but that is happening regardless. Thus I wonder if our wuss, no-backbone strategy has served to accomplish nothing and **** them off anyway when we could have actually accomplished our objectives and angered them.

Either way that was probably a likely outcome.