What exactly is your objection to the war in Iraq? (impeachment, borders)

[darstar]

Originally Posted by Dwatted Wabbit

I am a constitutional conservative.
Bush has earned my utter contempt fair and square.
Iraq was not a first-tier enemy such as Russia, China, and Mexico are.
It had no ICBMs, no navy, and no air force that could reach out to us.
This invasion apparently was a personal issue for King George II.
We are doing almost everything possible in Washington to ensure our eventual defeat or surrender at the hands of the chinese.
I never thought I would live to see the day the USA had a more incompetent, disinterested, bullheaded, enemy of the people, contempt-for-the-law, and probably more treasonous president than Slick...but we do, his name is George.

As I keep saying...........IMPEACH !! I can think of no greater reason , than the treason you refer to.....in many countries someone like Bush would be hanged at the gate........the least we can do , is turn him and his comrades over to the World court to stand trial. It is a dirty, rotten shame so many have lost their lives, their wifes, their children , and their limbs, just to fuel an evil regime. So Sad........

[Tone509]

Originally Posted by migee

Good points overall Tone509 - Though, the question is - How the heck do we get out of it without leaving a debacle behind?

I wish all of our people there could leave tonight...But, what the heck would happen there?..And, how would it affect the entire region?

Thanks for the kudos!

As far as how to prevent a debacle, I think that's up to the Iraqis themselves. Vietnam was not a pleasant place for a long time after we left. It's far from nirvana now but at least it appears to have stablized. We could maintain a small force to help secure the borders (no pun intended) to keep foreign insurgents. Other than that, I believe that it's time for Iraqis to determine their own future.

[Rhett_Butler]

Originally Posted by KoZmiC NinJa

I knew Bu$h was going to invade somebody when I saw
him stacking his cabinet with Reagans leftover Gestapo.
How can anybody support genocide on a group of people
for the profit of a few ? Its hypocracy at its worst that Bu$h
and his g-men arent getting what Saddam got.
While all of you chickenhawks are putting yellowribbon magnets
on your SUVS the country that made yer stick-on patriotism
is laffing out loud.

This is the second time I'm going to call you on this "genocide" garbage.

Stop using words to which you obviously do not know the meaning.

[macmeal]

Originally Posted by VAFury

This is the second time I'm going to call you on this "genocide" garbage.

Stop using words to which you obviously do not know the meaning.

I agree- one of my pet peeves. The "cheapening" of words (like "genocide") is the mirror image of "political correctness"- both are opposite sides of the same coin which, if we let them enter a serious discussion, can water down the meaning of what's said.
A couple of years ago, the Los Angeles Police Dept., during an investigation of the shooting of a gang member, was repeatedly accused (in a televised hearing) of "committing genocide against the (ethnic group) people of South Central". This was allowed to pass into the record without comment. I found it annoying, as half the people in the room were from South Central. They certainly looked healthy to me.
They had every right to demand an explanation and investigation, but regardless of what the police were, or were not doing, it was certainly not "genocide"....guess you hit a nerve with me

[Aqualung]

Originally Posted by tnbound2day

I do think plenty of people are disillusioned in thinking we wanted their oil. For the money we have spent on the war, we could have purchased over half of Iraq's entire oil reserve. I think some people just want more reasons to whine about the war, which is odd when there are so many valid reasons with actual EVIDENCE to back them up. I guess some will always like conspiracy theories, and therefore I suppose Area 51 now has billions of gallons of Iraqi oil that America is secretly selling to the aliens from the Roswell area.

Oil is a red herring. Perpetual war is VERY profitable for certain people, especially bankers. Since Bush has become President, the Federal debt has increased from around $4 trillion to $9 trillion. The Federal Reserve is making an absolute killing on this, in interest alone. The Federal Reserve is PRIVATE. Bankers are making billions, maybe trillions, and they're making it on the backs of American soldiers and taxpayers.

[GregW]

War is Hell! If you want Heaven get out of War.

Let the fools that invest their money overseas pay for their protection of raise their prices to cover the risk. We do not need to be the policeman of the world no matter how much the financers complain.

[rd2007]

Good posts VAFury and macmeal. I think that kosmic ninja character is just posting to get some sort of lame attention, or at least I hope they are. I try to hope there aren't people That ignorant around..

[rd2007]

Originally Posted by Aqualung

Oil is a red herring. Perpetual war is VERY profitable for certain people, especially bankers. Since Bush has become President, the Federal debt has increased from around $4 trillion to $9 trillion. The Federal Reserve is making an absolute killing on this, in interest alone. The Federal Reserve is PRIVATE. Bankers are making billions, maybe trillions, and they're making it on the backs of American soldiers and taxpayers.

wow, you seriously need to stop reading the left wing blogs and maybe try a little research.. might want to start here first and if you're too lazy to click on it I'll post a quote from the FAQ..

Originally Posted by Fed FAQ

The Federal Reserve System is not "owned" by anyone and is not a private, profit-making institution. Instead, it is an independent entity within the government, having both public purposes and private aspects.

[Aqualung]

Originally Posted by rd2007

wow, you seriously need to stop reading the left wing blogs and maybe try a little research.. might want to start here first and if you're too lazy to click on it I'll post a quote from the FAQ..

Poor wording, on my part, but you are very naive if you honestly don't think bankers are profiting on this war. Every bit of debt this government acquires is owned by bankers. The fact that the Federal Reserve is not technically a private corporation is merely superficial. For all intents and purposes, it is private.

[alexander59]

I am another that did not vote for Bush, the worse president ever, nor did I see any reason to go into Iraq, even with weapons of mass destruction. We were aware of Iran, Korea, and other countries that were more of a problem for us, so why Iraq?
After we went in I hoped we would find some reason to justify our being there and to this day we have found none, instead we have created a monster that will take decades if ever to pay for and leaving a country and its people far worse off than before.
Afghanistan is now selling more opium than before and in danger of going back into the hands we supposedly liberated them from.
Tell the women of both these countries how liberated they are and will be.