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I agree. They should leave morals, religeon, and other opinions to the parents and just stop the behavior.
All they are doing here is teaching kids not to bully harass those who are different. Its sickening that some people are so filled up with venom and hate to those that are different than they are, that they have problems with their kids being taught not to bully or harass those who are different.
I agree. They should leave morals, religeon, and other opinions to the parents and just stop the behavior.
All the programs I've seen don't get into the moral or religious issues. They leave that to the parents. But they do try to head off possible violence and harassment. Why must the schools only be in a reactionary mode, particularly when they have already seen the results of ignoring the issue. I would prefer them to be proactive in creating a safe environment for kids to learn. By the time you are dealing with the actions of a bully or other harassment then most likely is at least one kid who has already been victimized.
All they are doing here is teaching kids not to bully harass those who are different. Its sickening that some people are so filled up with venom and hate to those that are different than they are, that they have problems with their kids being taught not to bully or harass those who are different.
Smash, I think most of us here are in agreement that schools should not allow bullying or harassment. The schools need to deal with the BEHAVIOR of bullying; not try to change the values of the students. The underlying motives don't matter. We live in an imperfect world. Some parents will teach their children to treat all people civilly and their kids will; other parents will not teach their children to treat all people civilly and the kids won't; and some parents will teach their kids to treat all people civilly and the kids won't. Human beings are not perfect. Life isn't perfect. But, what the schools can do is to establish rules of conduct and consistently enforce them so that if a student BEHAVES badly toward another student, that student will face consequences; ie. the school will protect the students from bad behavior.
Here is a clip from one of the movies that the school is making students watch to stop bullying. It is NOT telling students what behaviors will or will not be tolerated in school and what the consequences will be. (That, I think, would be a good thing.) Instead, the film is teaching the students that all types of sexual orientation;gay, bisexual,cross-dressing is all normal. Now, some may agree with these values, but many others don't agree. This does not give these people the permission to "bully" those who have different values. Behavior must still be civilized and that is what the school should focus on and enforce. The school should not be trying to force values on the students.
The program and dispute over it stemmed from one out lesbian who complained of harrassment from teachers and staff. The article makes no mention of any other type of bullying or problems at the school. Just one girl who complained of harrassment from teachers and staff. Then the ACLU stepped in and said the whole school district including staff and students in elementary, middle and high school must undergo this "antibullying program," including the watching of the videos. Sounds like a test case to me. I know there is a huge push for this to be mandated at all schools across the country, including private schools. Letters were mailed to all schools a week or two ago spelling out this exact program to be mandated at any school who has even one c/o bullying.
How did the ACLU step in and mandate something? The ACLU is not a branch of the government. The ACLU is a lawyer organization. It has no authority over the school system. If the courts mandated this program, then the courts are responsible, not the ACLU. Letters were mailed to all schools....where? All schools in California? All schools in the United States? All schools....where? Do you have independent corroboration of your assertion?
All they are doing here is teaching kids not to bully harass those who are different. Its sickening that some people are so filled up with venom and hate to those that are different than they are, that they have problems with their kids being taught not to bully or harass those who are different.
So what if I am? I've never understood why anyone is concerned with how complete strangers feel about them on the net or in public. Or why they feel the need to impose their views on others. Total hypocracy it looks like to me considering how yall feel about views different from yours being imposed on yall.
How did the ACLU step in and mandate something? The ACLU is not a branch of the government. The ACLU is a lawyer organization. It has no authority over the school system. If the courts mandated this program, then the courts are responsible, not the ACLU. Letters were mailed to all schools....where? All schools in California? All schools in the United States? All schools....where? Do you have independent corroboration of your assertion?
All the programs I've seen don't get into the moral or religious issues. They leave that to the parents. But they do try to head off possible violence and harassment. Why must the schools only be in a reactionary mode, particularly when they have already seen the results of ignoring the issue. I would prefer them to be proactive in creating a safe environment for kids to learn. By the time you are dealing with the actions of a bully or other harassment then most likely is at least one kid who has already been victimized.
Because this is not about bullying. This is just an excuse to shove views on kids. And they have no business doing that. Besides that there are a million reasons a kid can be bullied. Are they going to make videos about them all?
So what if I am? I've never understood why anyone is concerned with how complete strangers feel about them on the net or in public. Or why they feel the need to impose their views on others. Total hypocracy it looks like to me considering how yall feel about views different from yours being imposed on yall.
Its not about imposing views on others. Its about teaching kids not to bully and harass those who are different from them. This really is what the whole thing is about. And the fact some people have a problem teaching kids not to bully or harass those who are different is utterly mind boggling and just plain sad.
How did the ACLU step in and mandate something? The ACLU is not a branch of the government. The ACLU is a lawyer organization. It has no authority over the school system. If the courts mandated this program, then the courts are responsible, not the ACLU. Letters were mailed to all schools....where? All schools in California? All schools in the United States? All schools....where? Do you have independent corroboration of your assertion?
Its not about imposing views on others. Its about teaching kids not to bully and harass those who are different from them. This really is what the whole thing is about. And the fact some people have a problem teaching kids not to bully or harass those who are different is utterly mind boggling and just plain sad.
Well we'll just have to disagree, because this for one thing wouldn't imo stop bullying but it could be very effective at imposing views, and another thing is it's to me just an excuse to impose views on kids.
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